My proposals

[Thorvald]

Ok, lets build bridges

As far as I see (correct if wrong) Macedonia is surrounded by neighbours whom dont respect you guys.

1: Greece on top, with their pathetic Hellenic wetdreams of imperialism

2: Bulgaria, who think its a right to claim Macedonians as a Bulgar minority. Speaking of ignorance

3: Albania. With a large Albanian minority in Macedonia we have here a serious demographic problem, which can result one day in Albanian secessionist ''Greater Albania''

4: Serbia. The whole world knows what Serbs are up to.

5: Turkey. Islamic country trying to get a foothold in Balkans, pan-Turkicism is dangerous.


My proposal, please correct or give your opinion:

My proposal is that Macedonia seeks closer co-operation with former Yugoslav republics like Croatia, Monte-Negro, Slovenia, and Bosnia. They all suffered under Serb oppression.

Croatia and Monte-Negrocan provide Macedonian rights on use of sea-port for Macedonian Navy.

Germany and Macedonia could exchange military knowledge and economical investments.

Hungary; shared interests.

Closer connection with Ukraine.

I know its sound idealistic, and maybe impossible, but Germany can chance; and Macedonian organisations in Germany can help with this.

We need to resist Serb and Greek lobbies in Western Europe.

[Risto the Great]

Agreed with most of it.
Germany will have to fight the USA for Macedonia's love.
If I was Macedonia, I would be wearing my best lingerie right now.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Agree with Risto, closer ties with Croatia, Slovenia, Montenegro in the Balkans is a must, while Germany can certainly be an influental friend in Europe and the west in general.

Greek lobbies worldwide should be challenged and their racism exposed.

[Giorikas]

Ok, lets build bridges

As far as I see (correct if wrong) Macedonia is surrounded by neighbours whom dont respect you guys.

1: Greece on top, with their pathetic Hellenic wetdreams of imperialism

2: Bulgaria, who think its a right to claim Macedonians as a Bulgar minority. Speaking of ignorance

3: Albania. With a large Albanian minority in Macedonia we have here a serious demographic problem, which can result one day in Albanian secessionist ''Greater Albania''

4: Serbia. The whole world knows what Serbs are up to.

5: Turkey. Islamic country trying to get a foothold in Balkans, pan-Turkicism is dangerous.


My proposal, please correct or give your opinion:

My proposal is that Macedonia seeks closer co-operation with former Yugoslav republics like Croatia, Monte-Negro, Slovenia, and Bosnia. They all suffered under Serb oppression.

Croatia and Monte-Negrocan provide Macedonian rights on use of sea-port for Macedonian Navy.

Germany and Macedonia could exchange military knowledge and economical investments.

Hungary; shared interests.

Closer connection with Ukraine.

I know its sound idealistic, and maybe impossible, but Germany can chance; and Macedonian organisations in Germany can help with this.

We need to resist Serb and Greek lobbies in Western Europe.

Would you care to explain a bit how that 'pathetic wetdream of imperialism' manifests itself ?

Then I have been reading with interest your proposals: Funny again, the German angle in this story ..... Be careful not to talk down to Albanians too much. You must be aware of the excellent German - Albanian 'exhange' during WW II.

[Dimko-piperkata]

germany cant help, because of the same reasons as EU cant back us...

THEY are the parents of the greek LIE, MYTH therefore the enemies of the macedonians...this "good cop bad cop" acting is just facade.

the enemies target is to destroy the macedonism and to negate into hellenism

[Soldier of Macedon]

Giorikas, talking down to a Germanic despite being aware of their significance before, during and after the creation of modern Greece?

[Giorikas]

Giorikas, talking down to a Germanic despite being aware of their significance before, during and after the creation of modern Greece?

I'm not talking down to Germans, just mentioning that Herr Thorvald managed once again to look at this with a German angle.

Significance of Germans? Sure. Many countries were significant in the creation of the modern Greece. But never as significant as .. Greeks, who were prepared to fight and die for Greece.

[Risto the Great]

I'm not talking down to Germans, just mentioning again that Herr Thorvald managed once again to look at at it with a German angle.

Significance of German ? Sure. Many countries were significant in creation of the modern Greece. But never as significant as .. Greeks, who were prepared to fight and die for Greece.

The French have taken a long time to admit some truths about their history:

http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1022

The Greeks might do it one day as well.

Thorvald is not German if I remember correctly. But he is Germanic. Greeks might struggle with this concept.

[Philosopher]

Ok, lets build bridges

As far as I see (correct if wrong) Macedonia is surrounded by neighbours whom dont respect you guys.

1: Greece on top, with their pathetic Hellenic wetdreams of imperialism

2: Bulgaria, who think its a right to claim Macedonians as a Bulgar minority. Speaking of ignorance

3: Albania. With a large Albanian minority in Macedonia we have here a serious demographic problem, which can result one day in Albanian secessionist ''Greater Albania''

4: Serbia. The whole world knows what Serbs are up to.

5: Turkey. Islamic country trying to get a foothold in Balkans, pan-Turkicism is dangerous.


My proposal, please correct or give your opinion:

My proposal is that Macedonia seeks closer co-operation with former Yugoslav republics like Croatia, Monte-Negro, Slovenia, and Bosnia. They all suffered under Serb oppression.

Croatia and Monte-Negrocan provide Macedonian rights on use of sea-port for Macedonian Navy.

Germany and Macedonia could exchange military knowledge and economical investments.

Hungary; shared interests.

Closer connection with Ukraine.

I know its sound idealistic, and maybe impossible, but Germany can chance; and Macedonian organisations in Germany can help with this.

We need to resist Serb and Greek lobbies in Western Europe.

I agree with much of what you write; why Hungary in the matter? Why not Romania? Because Romania is close to Serbia and Greece?
Moreover, why Ukraine?

Some of your arguments don't seem to have any validity. Nation states act in their own self-interest; what interest does Germany have in Macedonia? Exchange military knowledge? Explain.

And why Germany as opposed to Italy? I understand that Germany is the engine of Europe in economic terms but I question what Germans would want with Macedonians. I don't see a bondship or friendship developing there.

In fact, I see Germany and the people of the Balkans (so called "Slavic" people) have never really gotten along all that well.

Macedonia is in a bind; if Macedonia was united, and had the Aegean port, it would greatly bolster Macedonia's resolve and power. It would have better revenue from tourism, both for the beaches and the historic sites of ancient Macedonia; it would have better trade, because of the sea; it would have better exports, becaue of the olives and olive oil; and it would have better real estate, because of the beauty and historic nature of the region.

This name dispute would be of little value because Greece wouldn't control any region called "Macedonia." And Macedonia would be a member of the EU and NATO. Albania would be forced to sit on its ass because both would be NATO states; and, moreover, Macedonia, becaue of its economic improvement, would be a far better military power in the region.

I still contend that it all centers on the name dispute.

Macedonia has taken the initiative by creating tourist ads in America; the Macedonian Government is slowly begining to market itself abroad, esp. in the States. This is good and healthy. But it is not enough.

Our problem lies in the Macedonian Government being unwilling to change its position on the Slavic Migration Theory; if we continue to repeat this Mantra that we are the pedigree of Migrating Slavs and a mixture of the ancients, we will never be Macedonians, nor will we have one United Macedonia we can call our home.

My friends, the Macedonian Government has to reclarify its own history to its people and to the world. Civilized countries have their own historians and patriots who endeavor to create and market a proper image of itself to the world. We need more Macedonians doing the work of Macedonia; we need linguists, geneticists, historians, and others who would be willing to write our history properly.

We have to face reality; if we don't do this, no one will; if we are not willing to fight and die for the cause of Macedon, the Germans and Serbs certainly won't either. We need to cultivate friends in the Balkans; but we need to first cultivate our own image to the world.

This, however, is increasingly wrought with difficutly because most Macedonians don't understand who they are.

[osiris]

well put thorvald i agree with you.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Thorvald is not German if I remember correctly. But he is Germanic. Greeks might struggle with this concept.

Some will, most definetly.

[Sarafot]

I agree with much of what you write; why Hungary in the matter? Why not Romania? Because Romania is close to Serbia and Greece?
Moreover, why Ukraine?

Some of your arguments don't seem to have any validity. Nation states act in their own self-interest; what interest does Germany have in Macedonia? Exchange military knowledge? Explain.

And why Germany as opposed to Italy? I understand that Germany is the engine of Europe in economic terms but I question what Germans would want with Macedonians. I don't see a bondship or friendship developing there.

In fact, I see Germany and the people of the Balkans (so called "Slavic" people) have never really gotten along all that well.

Macedonia is in a bind; if Macedonia was united, and had the Aegean port, it would greatly bolster Macedonia's resolve and power. It would have better revenue from tourism, both for the beaches and the historic sites of ancient Macedonia; it would have better trade, because of the sea; it would have better exports, becaue of the olives and olive oil; and it would have better real estate, because of the beauty and historic nature of the region.

This name dispute would be of little value because Greece wouldn't control any region called "Macedonia." And Macedonia would be a member of the EU and NATO. Albania would be forced to sit on its ass because both would be NATO states; and, moreover, Macedonia, becaue of its economic improvement, would be a far better military power in the region.

I still contend that it all centers on the name dispute.

Macedonia has taken the initiative by creating tourist ads in America; the Macedonian Government is slowly begining to market itself abroad, esp. in the States. This is good and healthy. But it is not enough.

Our problem lies in the Macedonian Government being unwilling to change its position on the Slavic Migration Theory; if we continue to repeat this Mantra that we are the pedigree of Migrating Slavs and a mixture of the ancients, we will never be Macedonians, nor will we have one United Macedonia we can call our home.

My friends, the Macedonian Government has to reclarify its own history to its people and to the world. Civilized countries have their own historians and patriots who endeavor to create and market a proper image of itself to the world. We need more Macedonians doing the work of Macedonia; we need linguists, geneticists, historians, and others who would be willing to write our history properly.

We have to face reality; if we don't do this, no one will; if we are not willing to fight and die for the cause of Macedon, the Germans and Serbs certainly won't either. We need to cultivate friends in the Balkans; but we need to first cultivate our own image to the world.

This, however, is increasingly wrought with difficutly because most Macedonians don't understand who they are.

My opinion is the same like yours!

[fatso]

Ok, lets build bridges

As far as I see (correct if wrong) Macedonia is surrounded by neighbours whom dont respect you guys.

1: Greece on top, with their pathetic Hellenic wetdreams of imperialism

2: Bulgaria, who think its a right to claim Macedonians as a Bulgar minority. Speaking of ignorance

3: Albania. With a large Albanian minority in Macedonia we have here a serious demographic problem, which can result one day in Albanian secessionist ''Greater Albania''

4: Serbia. The whole world knows what Serbs are up to.

5: Turkey. Islamic country trying to get a foothold in Balkans, pan-Turkicism is dangerous.


My proposal, please correct or give your opinion:

My proposal is that Macedonia seeks closer co-operation with former Yugoslav republics like Croatia, Monte-Negro, Slovenia, and Bosnia. They all suffered under Serb oppression.

Croatia and Monte-Negrocan provide Macedonian rights on use of sea-port for Macedonian Navy.

Germany and Macedonia could exchange military knowledge and economical investments.

Hungary; shared interests.

Closer connection with Ukraine.

I know its sound idealistic, and maybe impossible, but Germany can chance; and Macedonian organisations in Germany can help with this.

We need to resist Serb and Greek lobbies in Western Europe.

Great thread. This is very important and should be followed through. Macedonia needs friends and allies. Once this is established ...then maybe her neighbours will wake up.

[Thorvald]

Would you care to explain a bit how that 'pathetic wetdream of imperialism' manifests itself ?

Greek hysteria on the name issue; any bells rings, buddy?

Then I have been reading with interest your proposals: Funny again, the German angle in this story .....

How come funny?

Iam a Germanic, not German, and Germany is a very important Germanic and European country from a historical, cultural, political and economical perspective.

Care to explane why your dislike for Germany comes from?

Be careful not to talk down to Albanians too much. You must be aware of the excellent German - Albanian 'exhange' during WW II.

First, why do you always bring WWII into it, secondly Germany has much more then its WWII past. Should we judge Russia only because of the deeds of communism aswell?

Second, there were numerous of ethnicities fighting for Germany, including Armenians, Turks, Slavonics, Indians. Nothing special, my friend.

Britain and France had colonial forces in their formerly colonies. Get it?

[Thorvald]

Thorvald is not German if I remember correctly. But he is Germanic. Greeks might struggle with this concept.

Correct. Iam Dutch, which is a Germanic ethnicity, just like tghe English ansd Swedes.

Uneducated people confuse German and Germanic.