who are the greek leaders born in macedonian in the 1800s

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  • osiris
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 1969

    who are the greek leaders born in macedonian in the 1800s

    we always hear how greek macedonia was, does anyone have a list of greeks bron in macedonia who fought to incorporate macedonia in the danish greek kingdom. i cant think of anyone other than dragoumis who it has been pointed out here was an arvaniti import from eprius.

    if solun was a greek city where are its famous greeks.
  • El Bre
    Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 713

    #2
    Whenever this subject comes up the name Emmanuoil Papas is always mentioned. The only information I could ever find on this guy is from Greek propaganda websites, so, take it for what it's worth.

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    • Daskalot
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 4345

      #3
      Originally posted by El Bre View Post
      Whenever this subject comes up the name Emmanuoil Papas is always mentioned. The only information I could ever find on this guy is from Greek propaganda websites, so, take it for what it's worth.
      they adore him, just ask them of the name of his native village, it will make their minds boggle......
      Macedonian Truth Organisation

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      • osiris
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 1969

        #4
        so there is one guy some nonentity whose ethnicity is disputed as the one prominent greek to come out of macedonia in the 1800s. this is pathetic come on greeks where are your hellenic champions from macedonia.

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        • Rogi
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 2343

          #5
          Why limit it to the 1800's?

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          • Rogi
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 2343

            #6
            How about a list of all "Greeks" from Macedonia, who fought for freedom, against the Ottomans, at any time during the Ottoman empire's rule over Macedonia.

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            • osiris
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 1969

              #7
              i am limiting it the 1800 rogi because they had already established their nation, and its a very well documented era. the only "greeks" of any note born in macedonia are the children of the prosfigi who arrived in macedonia in 1924. before then to use greek expression. boutzo.

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              • DrVosi
                Junior Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 18

                #8
                Here you go

                Zafeirakis Theodosiou - born in Naousa, a Greek prokritos and important figure in the Greek war of independence in the region of Macedonia

                Anastasios Karatasos - born in Dovras Imathia. Considered the most important revolutionary from Macedonia

                Dimitrios Karatasos - the son of Anastasios. A Greek armatoli fighter

                Vassilios Athanasiou - from Riza Halkidiki

                Nikolaos Doumpiotis - 'Kapetan Amyntas' from Doumpia Halkidiki

                Nikolaos Diamantis - from Fteri, Pieria. Greek war of Indepence

                Theodoros Ziakas - from Zakas Grevena (tista) . A chieftan that was active in the Grevena region uprising against the Turks in 1854

                Kapetan Loukas - from Megaron Grevena. A freedom fighter in Macedonia. There is a nice dance named after him

                Alexis Zorbas - from Katafygi just north of Mt Olympus. You all know who he is. His participation in the struggle is even mentioned in his book.

                Andronikos Paikos - from Thessaloniki

                And of course Emmanouel Pappas from Dovista (why should that make my mind boggle?) Cant forget him. He was the most Heroic figure in the struggle.
                And one more guy
                Michael Sionidis - born in Grciste now in Republic of Macedonia. Maybe that will make your mind boggle. It means 'village of the Greeks' .

                And Ion Dragoumis was not an Albanian. So put him up as well.

                Hope that helps

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                Dr AV*

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                • TrueMacedonian
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 3810

                  #9
                  Sorry to burst your bubble about Dragoumis but here you go http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...read.php?t=875
                  Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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                  • TrueMacedonian
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 3810

                    #10
                    Emmanuel Pappas was a son of a priest. Papas or Pappas meant priest so this most likely isn't his real name.
                    Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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                    • Sarafot
                      Member
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 616

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DrVosi View Post

                      Alexis Zorbas - from Katafygi just north of Mt Olympus. You all know who he is. His participation in the struggle is even mentioned in his book.
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                      Dr AV*
                      Sorry to ask but what exactly ''ZORBA'' means in Greek language?
                      Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
                      - Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902

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                      • TrueMacedonian
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 3810

                        #12
                        None of these people are ethnically "greek". They are either hellenized Vlach, Albanians or Macedonians.
                        Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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                        • Daskalot
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 4345

                          #13
                          Zorba is buried in Skopje, Macedonia..... how Greek of him......

                          Macedonian Truth Organisation

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                          • DrVosi
                            Junior Member
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 18

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
                            Sorry to burst your bubble about Dragoumis but here you go http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...read.php?t=875

                            < The man came from a family of Greeks who had moved in the 16th Century from Albania to a village outside Florina* in Western Macedonia called Bogatsiko>

                            Please tell me what part of that statement are you having trouble with?
                            Because they came from Albania? Sorry to burst your bubble but even today as we speak there are Greeks in Albania.
                            Keep trying harder , maybe you will come up with something better.

                            As for Pappas, yes he was the son of the priest. Im sure Lazar Pop Traikov was also the son of a priest. Again your point?


                            * Actually Vogatsiko is just south of Kastoria, nowhere near Florina.

                            And as for Zorbas being buried in Skopje, i dont know what Daskalot is trying to say. That he was an Ethnic Macedonian?? So if he was on a ship and it sank in the Atlantic and he ended up in the bottom of the ocean , he would be an Ethnic Atlantian ??

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                            Dr AV*
                            Last edited by DrVosi; 04-06-2009, 09:14 PM.

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                            • Risto the Great
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 15658

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DrVosi View Post
                              < The man came from a family of Greeks who had moved in the 16th Century from Albania to a village outside Florina* in Western Macedonia called Bogatsiko>
                              Ahh, we have some excellent transcripts of the Macedonian language spoken in the village Bogatsiko. It was recorded in the 16th century by a Frenchman. The Dragovtsi would have known the language very well after a couple of hundred years as outsiders.
                              Risto the Great
                              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                              Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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