Who are the Phanariots?

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  • TrueMacedonian
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    • Jan 2009
    • 3810

    Who are the Phanariots?







    More to come.
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  • Risto the Great
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    • Sep 2008
    • 15658

    #2
    Interesting stuff.
    I am not convinced about the creation of Romanian literature into Slavonic though.
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    • TrueMacedonian
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      • Jan 2009
      • 3810

      #3

      page 379


      I wonder with the info we have right now just how "greek" these phanariots really were? This essentially ties in with the philiki eteria. Another jumble of merchants of diverse backgrounds who just so happened to speak romaika.
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      • TrueMacedonian
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        • Jan 2009
        • 3810

        #4

        A History of the Roumanians by R.W. Seton-Watson page 127
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        • Risto the Great
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          • Sep 2008
          • 15658

          #5
          Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
          Oh to be a fly on the Ottoman wall prior to the 17th century where Slavonic ruled the church. Does anyone really need to wonder whether the modern Greeks wiped away evidence of Slavonic rule in the 2 centuries thereafter?

          Thank goodness this author acknowledged the Ottoman ethnic consciousness. It goes strongly against "Greek civilisation for 4000 years" etc etc. And is a much more palatable interpretation in my mind.
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          • Soldier of Macedon
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            • Sep 2008
            • 13669

            #6
            The Phanariots, very interesting group of Greek-speaking mixed bag of lollies that served their Islamic masters well while they milked the Christian provinces. I have said it before, Greek-speakers of whatever ilk or origin, as the "administrative class" above the rest of their own kin, were the greatest friends to the Turks for the duration of Ottoman rule in the Balkans.
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            • Risto the Great
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              • Sep 2008
              • 15658

              #7
              So why do you think the various Slavonic peoples in the administrative class lost favour in the 17th century?
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              • osiris
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                • Sep 2008
                • 1969

                #8
                i had the pleasure of meeting 3 people who claimed they were decendents of the phanorites in athens in the 70s one was an old rumanian lady the other was a natural blond blueyed individual a real rarity in greece especially the anatolian greeks his surname was varangis,inidcative of his familys varangian guard origins, the 3rd claimed his family could trace their origins to original settlers to constantinople from rome.

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                • Soldier of Macedon
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                  • Sep 2008
                  • 13669

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                  So why do you think the various Slavonic peoples in the administrative class lost favour in the 17th century?
                  With the assumption of control in the Balkans by the Ottomans, the Archbishopric of Ohrid in Macedonia had its widespread power and influence marginalised, while the Patriarchate of Constantinople found itself in a rejuvenated position resulting from its new found friendship with the recently arrived Muslim overlords. With the


                  Because they rebelled and assisted European powers in their drive to rid the Balkans of Ottoman domination, while the Greek-speakers danced with Turks.
                  In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                  • Soldier of Macedon
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                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13669

                    #10
                    Originally posted by osiris View Post
                    i had the pleasure of meeting 3 people who claimed they were decendents of the phanorites in athens in the 70s one was an old rumanian lady the other was a natural blond blueyed individual a real rarity in greece especially the anatolian greeks his surname was varangis,inidcative of his familys varangian guard origins, the 3rd claimed his family could trace their origins to original settlers to constantinople from rome.
                    Lol, yeah, probably some Venetian.
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                    • osiris
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1969

                      #11
                      everybody in greece has a famous ancient pedigree som, many much older then 3 century ad when constantine founded new rome on whenever the varangian guard was formed by slavs and vikings, hell dont the greeks according to their claims go back to 2ooo bc lol.

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13669

                        #12
                        Yeah, that's where the 4,000 years of bullshit comes from, meanwhile most of them don't have a 100 years in Greek-occupied Macedonia.
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                        • TrueMacedonian
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                          • Jan 2009
                          • 3810

                          #13

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                          • Carlin
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                            • Dec 2011
                            • 3332

                            #14
                            Bump ..............

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                            • Liberator of Makedonija
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                              • Apr 2014
                              • 1595

                              #15
                              A group of wealthy merchant families that resided in Istanbul and weilded much political power during the Ottoman era. At least to my knowledge, very facinating topic.
                              I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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