How the Greeks are stealing our music

[George S.]

THere seems to be heaps & heaps of times when we listen & watch the video clips on you tube It says Greek Music only to discover that it is actually Macedonian Tunes.The Macedonian tunes have been set to Greek words.Does anyone know if that is illegal & what happens to royalties lost.Can the owners of these songs sue the Greek music Thieves & recoup their lost royalties.It seems to be an going thing & can it be stopped?.The Greeks seem to be stealing traditional music as well.
We can allready see the Bulgarians playing traditional songs & calling it Bulgarian.

[Bij]

i believe there isn't very much in the way of copy right laws in the balkans.

i can tell you though, most of the tunes i've heard have started out as turkish songs, especially the latest pop stuff. well mainly the latest pop stuff.

[astibo]

i believe there isn't very much in the way of copy right laws in the balkans.

i can tell you though, most of the tunes i've heard have started out as turkish songs, especially the latest pop stuff. well mainly the latest pop stuff.

Ne e problem za tie novokomponirani pesni, problemot e sto Makedonskiot izvoren folklor e prezentiran kako grcki, bugarski pa i srpski. Duri mnogu pati sum videl deka i albancite go pravat istoto. Pa na filmot 300, zajdi zajdi bese pretstavena kako bugarska pesna, e toa me vadi od takt

[George S.]

all we need is for the Greeks to steal our folkloric songs there's nothing more beutiful than a macedonian girl.The greeks allready are dancing the paydusko oro & other oros & calling it greek.

[Bij]

guys, prove to me the folk songs are ours and i'll get angry about it, but i don't think this is possible. have you seen the documentary 'whose song is this?'

with the exception of zajdi zajdi. that seems to be the only song we have fair claim to, but it is far more recent than other traditional folk songs. and i've never heard anyone put claim to that song anyway (other than Macedonians).

[astibo]

guys, prove to me the folk songs are ours and i'll get angry about it, but i don't think this is possible. have you seen the documentary 'whose song is this?'

with the exception of zajdi zajdi. that seems to be the only song we have fair claim to, but it is far more recent than other traditional folk songs. and i've never heard anyone put claim to that song anyway (other than Macedonians).

Se znae deka tie pesni se makedonski, duri i samite bugari i grci go potvrduvaat toa. Za bugarite makedonskiot folklor e bugarski folklor od Makedonija (sakaat da kazat region na bugarija). Pa eve primer na Evrovizija, koga imale bugarska zabava, celata vecer bila so makedonski stari pesni, samo pretstaveni pred evropjanite kako bugarski normalno. Isto e i so Grcite.
A i ednite i drugite dodavaat na nasite pesni nekoi tugji elementi. Znaci ne e tuka vo prasanje samo nekoe avtorsko pravo na oddelni pesni ili ora, tuku cel eden folklor.

[astibo]

guys, prove to me the folk songs are ours and i'll get angry about it,

Se znae deka se makedonski tie pesni, se znae od koj region poteknuvaat, za koj se pee itn. Makedonskiot folklor ima karakteristiki koi go razlikuvaat od site okolni narodi, edna od tie e 7/8 takt, ima i drugi ama ne sum tolku kompetenten da zboram.

Za filmot "cija e ovaa pesna", za pesnata "oj devojce, devojce", sum slusnal deka site okolni narodi kazuvaat deka e nivna pesna po poteklo, a koga gi prasale makedonskite eksperti oni rekle deka ne e makedonska po poteklo, zatoa sto ritamot i nekoi drugi karakteristiki ne bile originalno makedonski. Toa ne mora da e vistina, ama pokazuva deka se znae i opsto e poznato koi se najstarite karakteristiki na nasiot folklor...

[astibo]

Eve za kraj nesto originalno makedonsko

YouTube - Macedonian Dance With Gajda (Ovce Pole)

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[George S.]

astibo that is beutiful as they say it's music to my ears.Don't be surprised if our enemies like greece & bulgaria try & steal our music.Macedonia is richly blessed with music.Music attests to our long existence in the Balkans it serves to show the interweaving of music & dancing.I would hate to see a bulgarian or greek taking our song Makedonsko Devojce Kitka Sarena & call it their own.THat would be disgusting.

[Bij]

astibo, just because we say its ours, doesn't mean it's concrete proof. if anyone here is more scholarly on macedonian folklore and the differentiators between say us and turkey as an example? considering we spent 500 years under turkish oppression, i don't know how clear this will be then i will happily claim all these songs are ours.

as far as the doco is concerned, it was made by a bulgarian. the translation was off. the people she picked were jokes. i mean, in macednia she filmed a taxi driver who said he didn't give a crap who sang the song, he just wanted to go on vacation. she went to every country and spoke to laymens, people in cafes and people in the streets and at picnics and in bars, and she goes to Macedonia and finds some 'experts' - pissed me off so much. the only reason i mentioned this documentary is because it shows the balkan mentality regarding music. everyone thinks it belongs to them.dont even get me started on the bulgars

at the end of the day, we should just enjoy our music for what it is and not worry about who it belongs to and who is stealing it and corrupting it.

[astibo]

astibo, just because we say its ours, doesn't mean it's concrete proof. if anyone here is more scholarly on macedonian folklore and the differentiators between say us and turkey as an example? considering we spent 500 years under turkish oppression, i don't know how clear this will be then i will happily claim all these songs are ours.

Bij, folklorot se deli na poveke delovi. Na primer da zememe vo makedonskiot folklor, ima gradski folklor, ima i selski folklor. Vo gradskiot folklor ima vlijanija od nadvoresni faktori dodeka makedonskiot selski folklor e premnogu dobro zapazen.
Na primer pesnite sto gi vikame starogradski, ili chalgiite, tie imaat vlijanija od nadvoresni faktori, od Vizantija od turcite itn. Ova sto go pustiv ja e od selata vo sveti nikolsko, znaci muzika, ora, nosii, instrumenti se sto vide ti tamu ne moze da go vidis na drugo mesto. Nie imame zacuvano mnogu paganski obredni pesni, p[esni za povikuvanje na dozd itn.

Sto se odnesuva do nasata slicnost vo muzikata sto ja imame so turcite, toa ne e rezultat na 550-te godini tursko prisustvo tuka. Ja imam procitano dve svedostva, prvoto e od anticki avtor koj veli deka muzikata na makedonija e ista so muzikata vo anadolija. Drug izvor e srednovekoven, od pred tursko vreme, tamu se veli deka lugeto vo strumica gi peele istite pesni koi sto se peele vo anadolija. Mozebi nekoi ovde na forumot moze da gi navedat tie izvori, bidejki ja gi imam izgubeno i treba da pominam dosta vreme vo baranje. A ne e ni cudnoi toa, bidejki znaeme deka antickite makedonci bile slicen narod, ako ne i ist so frigite, paflagoncite i drugi narodi koi ja naseluvale mala azija vo antikata.

Kako i da e, makedonskiot izvoren folklor gi vlece svoite koreni od najdlabokata antika na balkanskiot poluostrov..

[Bij]

interesting post, astibo.

where the sources you read in macedonian or other languages? where the authors macedonian? maybe someone can track them down.

[astibo]

interesting post, astibo.

where the sources you read in macedonian or other languages? where the authors macedonian? maybe someone can track them down.

Ke gi najdam tie citati Bij, ako treba i eden mesec da gi baram, samo za tebe

[astibo]

Vizantiskiot istoricar i pisatel Nikifor Grigora, za vreme na svo*jata poseta na Strumica vo 1326 godina, opisuva nekoi od narodnite pesni sto tamu gi slusnal. Toj decidno tvrdi deka (iako ne go razbiral jazi*kot na tamosnoto naselenie), strumickite narodni pesni mnogu potse*tuva*le na - frigiskite! (Nicephore Gregoras, Corespondance, Paris, 1927, str. 30-50)

[George S.]

I don't know if you guys are aware how people from the Borat movie tried to use esma regepovas song & they paid a pittance & she threatened them for 100of thousands of euros & i think they settled.Theres other music that was merelytaken & used in other movies & there's not a thing that can be done.