Greeks harbouring Terrorists

[Bill77]

Onur this might interest you. I wish to also expose some more of real Greece of today.

Onur.....tell us if you know any more about this.
So far i have came accross this,

Abdullah Öcalan.. Most infamous known kurdish terrorist. Cyprus gave him a fake passport and saved him from being captured and punished.... this man and his followers have allegedly killed 40.000 Turks.

A friend of mine gave me this info. One of her friends, father was killed in july!! and 2 days ago 9Turkish were killed again!!

Her words are "Greece and Cyprus always defend this asshole"

She also said "if you believe in UN or EU,even these unions accept that öcalan and pkk are terrorist... except greece".


"Abdullah Öcalan" is now known as "Lazaros Mavros"
Have a Look at his passport bellow. lol

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Where did you get that passport? can you confirm that its real?

You can add anyone's picture and make it look like its apart of the passport.

[Bill77]

Where did you get that passport? can you confirm that its real?

You can add anyone's picture and make it look like its apart of the passport.

I recieved this info from a friend she lives in Turkey. I wanted it confirmed by Onur if he knows of this man. By sounds of things the face would be of Abdullah Öcalan who would be a wanted man for Turkey.

Is he hiding in Cyprus?....... would be the most logical place, because Greek part of cyprus would never give him up. And i don't doubt that someone that kills many Turks would be treated as a hero on Greek territory.

[Onur]

Onur this might interest you. I wish to also expose some more of real Greece of today.

Onur.....tell us if you know any more about this.
So far i have came accross this,

Abdullah Öcalan.. Most infamous known kurdish terrorist. Cyprus gave him a fake passport and saved him from being captured and punished.... this man and his followers have allegedly killed 40.000 Turks

It`s no secret that Greeks supports PKK in every way possible.

PKK founder/leader Abdullah Ocalan was living in Syria at 1999, Turkey told Syria that if they don't arrest him and hand over to us in a week, Turkish army will enter their soil to capture him. Syrian authorities got scared and told PKK leader to leave Syria and then his European journey begun. He secretly gone to Armenia and then Russia. He stayed there for a while and then he popped out in Rome,Italy. Turkey pressured Italy to arrest him but Italian authorities refused. After some time, PKK leader made a deal with his good old friends, Greeks to offer him protection and hide him from Turkish authorities.

Theodoros Pangalos, foreign minister of Greece in 1999 took over this job with Greek intelligence and he invited PKK leader to stay in Greek islands in undercover. They also gave him Greek passport at that time. When Turkish secret service agents discovered that Greeks hiding him in Aegean islands, Greek government sent him to PKK terrorist training camps in southern Cyprus and also gave him Greek Cypriot passport in there(pictured above in the first msg). After strong pressure from Turkey, this time Greek government secretly sent him to the Greek embassy at Kenya, Nairobi. After few days, Israeli Mossad agents spotted him in Kenya, Greek embassy and informed Turkish intelligent service about this. Then Turkish agents made a deal with Kenyan authorities and captured him.

Capture of Öcalan and the resignation of Greek ministers
In 1999, Abdullah Öcalan, the leader of the PKK, was captured by the Turkish Intelligence Service agents in Nairobi, Kenya, while leaving the Greek Embassy. Öcalan was carrying both Greek and Cypriot passports.[7] Fearing a hostile Turkish reaction, three Greek ministers resigned (Foreign Minister Theodoros Pangalos, in charge of the attempt to hide Öcalan at the Greek Ambassador's residence in Kenya and to find him asylum; Interior Minister Alekos Papadopoulos, in charge of the Greek Intelligence Service involved in the operation; and Public Order Minister Philippos Petsalnikos, in charge of the Greek security forces which failed to stop the smuggling of Öcalan into Greece in January 1999).[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek–Turkish_relations

Greek ministers resign over Ocalan

Three Greek cabinet ministers have resigned over their handling of the Ocalan affair as protests continue by Kurdish demonstrators. The Foreign Minister Theodoros Pangalos and the ministers of public order and the interior were quitting amid accusations that they had "mishandled" the case.



Mr Ocalan had been in the care of the Greek authorities in Kenya at the time of his capture on Monday in as yet unexplained circumstances.

Reacting to the resignations in Greece, Turkey`s PM; Mr Ecevit said Greece was paying the price for helping the PKK and that should be a lesson to any country which supports terrorism.

February 18, 1999

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/281816.stm

Greece dogged by Ocalan affair

The Greek Government said on Friday it would guarantee political asylum and protection for two female bodyguards of the Kurdish rebel leader, Abdullah Ocalan.

The two women and another female bodyguard with a Belgian passport were removed from the Greek diplomatic compound in Nairobi, Kenya, in an operation personally led by the secretary-general of the Greek Foreign Service.


Fresh embarrassment
However, their arrival in Athens promised fresh embarrassment for the government. Along with a Greek intelligence officer, Savvas Kalenderidis, who was sent to Nairobi to protect Mr Ocalan, they are claiming that the PKK leader was misled by the Greek Government and forced against his will to leave the safety of the embassy compound.

This contradicts the official version of events, which is that Mr Ocalan fell into Turkish hands after deciding against Greek Government advice to embark on negotiations with the Kenyans and leave the compound for the airport.

The extent of official help for the PKK leader and his organisation is at the heart of a growing row between Athens and Ankara. Turkey says the Greek Government organised training camps for PKK rebels and that it supplied ground to air missiles for use against the Turkish security forces.


Turkey uses advantage
Turkey says the allegations are based on statements made by Mr Ocalan during his interrogation by the state prosecutor. The Turkish Government is making use of the claims in an attempt to have Greece labelled as a state sponsoring terrorism - pressing home the advantage it secured by snatching the PKK leader from under the noses of the Greek security services.

It has also been claimed that the Greek Orthodox Church funded Kurdish rebels - a claim denied to the BBC by the head of the Church, Archbishop Christodoulos, who said that food had been supplied to Kurdish refugees, and nothing more.

The allegations of training camps for the PKK in Greece and arms supply by the Greek Government are not new. They have been regularly made in the past by Ankara and always denied by Athens.

February 27, 1999

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/287232.stm

As it stated above, As well as Greek and Cypriot governments, Greek church of Athens also supports PKK terrorists inside the training camps in Greece. During his trial, PKK leader Ocalan said that Greek church in Athens was raising funds for PKK and gave them around 3 million dollars in just 1999.

`Greece fed weapons to Kurd rebels'

IT WAS exactly the ammunition Turkey's government wanted in its war of words with Greece over the capture of the Kurdish rebel Abdullah Ocalan.

A Turkish newspaper, Hurriyet, said he had told interrogators Greece supplied his Kurdish Workers' Party (PKK) with arms. The claim may embarrass the European Union, which yesterday called on Turkey to give Mr Ocalan a fair trial and to let international observers attend, as Greece is a member of the bloc.

"Greece has supported the PKK for years," the paper quoted Mr Ocalan as saying. "Greece even helped us with weapons and rockets." According to the article he said Greece supplied him with the false Cypriot passport with which he travelled to Kenya and supplied the PKK with training facilities.

The rebel leader, who was snatched from Kenya by Turkish special forces last week, is being interrogated before his trial. Turkey blames him for 37,000 deaths in the PKK's 14-year campaign to win Kurdish autonomy in south-east Turkey.

"Greece should be added to the list of countries that support terrorism and harbour terrorists," the Turkish President, Suleyman Demirel, said, according to Turkey's semi-official Anatolia News Agency. "A country like that can only be described as an outlaw state."
23 February 1999

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/gr...s-1072670.html

Then in a weird turn of events, PKK leader Ocalan sued Greece at EU court of human rights! for mistreatment towards him at 2008. He said that he was a Greek citizen at 1999 and Greek government failed to protect her citizen`s right by letting Turkish secret service agents capture him in Greek embassy at Kenya;

PKK leader Ocalan sues Greece

The jailed leader of the terror organization PKK is suing Greece for failing to prevent his capture by Turkish officials in 1999, officials said.

Abdullah Ocalan is seeking $25,500 from the Greek government, alleging that Athens betrayed him after offering assurances of his safety, Hurriyet reported Friday.

Ocalan, who led the Kurdistan Workers' Party, commonly known as PKK, is serving a life sentence in a Turkish prison, the newspaper reported.

Ocalan hid in Athens from Turkish officials for two days in January 1999 before Greek intelligence helped him flee to Kenya. He was arrested in Kenya by Turkish agents.

The PKK is listed as a terrorist group by, among others, Turkey, the European Union and the United States.

12/06/2008

http://www.topnews.in/pkk-leader-oca...-greece-296020

As you can see, Greek church and politicians have such an hatred toward us, so they support anything against us, including terrorism. Their hatred is so big that probably it turns their eyes blind, so they(Mr. Pangalos and his group) supported PKK leader even without thinking possible consequences for their own political carrier and more importantly, the fate of their own country.

I remember that 1000s of people in Turkey was doing protests all over Turkey when we discovered that Abdullah Ocalan is hiding with the support of Greece and Cyprus. People clearly demanded from Turkish government to bomb PKK camps both in Greece and southern Cyprus and capture Ocalan who were hiding in Cyprus at that time. Some people was saying that Turkey did a mistake by only taking %30 of Cyprus and we should have get whole Cyprus in 1974 since it was a 500 year old Turkish island.

What would happen if we had politicians in Turkey as irresponsible as Greek ones like Mr. Pangalos? Who could stop us destroying their little fake nation called Greece? Do they really think their masters in EU can save them, no matter what evil they do?

I really cant comprehend Greek mentality. They become like mindless and violent animals if the issue is Turkey.

[Onur]

The section of Greece in "Global Terrorism Report", annually issued by the U.S. Secretary of State Department is also interesting to read;

CAN GREECE SUCCEED IN ITS FIGHT AGAINST TERRORISM?

International community closely monitoring the operation conducted by the Greek Police against the November 17 terror organization, expects the Greek government not to limit the operations with only November 17 terror organization and to include other terror organizations active in the country

Most important discussion about the November 17 terror organization during its dissolution process was the performance of Greece in the fight against terrorism. None of the members of the November 17 terror organizations were captured in the last nine years, but recently, Greece has intensified operations against it. It is wondered what will be the sanctions Greece would imposed against the members of the terror organizations such as the PKK and DHKP\C, whose ties with the November 17 terror organizations were revealed. How will Greece act against those who have important positions in the state as well as cooperating with other terror organizations? Will Greece take those to court?

Terrorist activities against foreign and local targets began between 1967 and 1974 during the military coup era in Greece and reached a peak in 1974 after the regime change. With the November 17 terror organization "quake" in July 2002, terrorism in Greece reached a historical u-turn.

The Greek administration that allowed Greece to become a country where international terror organizations freely function especially after the 1980, supported terrorism like in the PKK example with the intention of using it as tool of its foreign policy. On the other hand, it displayed an ineffective and insufficient fight against terrorism as a part of its approach to the November 17 terror organization.

The Greek government that allowed terrorist activities against American, Turkish and Western targets, failed to capture any members of the bloody November 17 terror organization until July 2002. It also didn't take any precaution against the members of the terror organizations such as the PKK, DHKP\C and the ASALA, having obvious ties with the November 17 terror organization.

The Greek administration that failed to show expected effort to fight against terrorism was strongly criticized by Turkey and Western Countries as well as the United States as it followed a supportive and provocative policy on terror organizations and terrorist activities.

According to the "Global Terrorism Report" that is annually issued by the U.S. Secretary of State Department, accused Greece of; not implementing the Anti-terror Law; failing to capture terrorists; being incapable of trying them; allowing the PKK and DHKP\C terror organizations to stage activities against Turkey in Greece; preventing the punishment of criminals as it has done in 1998 during the trial of Enrico Bianco, a member of the Italian Red Troops terror organization and being unsuccessful in its fight against the November 17 terror organization. The Report also underlined that Greece may be included to the list of countries supporting terrorism.

Another report prepared by the U.S. National Commission on Terrorism states that "Greece in its fight against terrorism acts disturbingly passive. Since 1979, DHKP/C terror organization killed four foreigners. Despite the warning issued by the U.S., it didn't close down the DHKP/C bureau in Greece."

Greece was always attractive to terror organizations such as the November 17, PKK and the DHKP/C as it has borders to Turkey and it is located on the passage way to the European countries and also because it follows policies that feed terror elements.

"Lavrion Refugee Camp" that was opened in 1949 near Athens under the title of "Treatment Center for Foreign Migrants" became a center suitable for cooperation between terror groups and as German Die Welt newspaper pointed out on December 2, 1994, it serves as a shelter and doctrine center for PKK and DHKP/C terrorists that illegally passed to Greece in 1980s.

According to the Time Magazine's research dated March 30 of 1996, Ayfer Kaya alas Rozarin in charge of PKK terror organization's camps in Greece (also she was the organization member who accompany PKK head Abdullah Ocalan during his adventure that began in Athens and ended in Kenya) said the following: "I was greeting those who arrived in the Lavrion Camp which is 45 kilometers away to Athens, for bomb and shooting training. Every week 5-10 young Kurds were coming to the camp in order to learn how to fight with the goal of forming a Kurdish state on the Turkish, Syrian, Iranian and Iraqi soil." Meanwhile, another PKK official Ferzeyn Iskender in the Lavrion was quoted as saying that, "this camp is the biggest example of Greece's help to us." These statements openly reveal the support of Greece to terror organizations.

On October 12-14, a delegation made up of New Democracy member M. Galanianos and PASOK's E.Verivakis, D.Vunatsos and E.Papazoi visited the PKK camps in Bekaa and give support to terrorists.

According to the Hurriyet newspaper's news report dated January 15, 2002, PKK terror organization is active in Greece and have a bureau in Athens as well as other offices such as the branch office of Kurdistan Committee Balkans Representative, Kurdish Red Crescent, Med TV, DEM news agency and Kurdish house. Hurriyet's news report claimed that the PKK carries out its activities in the Greek Cyprus via Cyprus- Kurdistan Solidarity Committee.

Kurdish Red Crescent, a side organization of the terror organization having an official identity in Greece, works for free treatment of injured PKK terrorists in Greek hospitals. Meanwhile, Med TV and DEM news agency carry out relations with the Greek media. Kurdish house that was opened with an official ceremony on January 29, 1995 by the participation of Greek officials, gives political training to the terrorists living in the Lavrion refugee camp and also distributes the propaganda magazine named Foni Tou Kurdistan (Voice of Kurdistan) published in Greek.

157 lawmakers of the 330-member Greek parliament issued a joint letter on April 10, 1997 inviting PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan to Greece. After this invitation, PKK has launched a cocktail party on June 4, 1997 at the Great Britain Hotel for those lawmakers. Some 80 Greek deputies from different political parties that participated the cocktail party showed their open support to terrorists.

Greek politicians support to the PKK terror organization continued with various different activities. A press release issued by 109 deputies including deputy parliament speakers Panagiotis Kritikos, Panagiotis Suguridis, Loukas Apostolidis; deputies from the PASOK, DIKKI and YDP parties as well as independent lawmakers on November 5, 1998 inviting Abdullah Ocalan to Greece as the legal representative of Kurdish people reveals the dimension of this support to the terror organization.

A clear evidence of Greece's support to the PKK terror organization was Abdullah Ocalan's move to enter Greece for three times; on September 9,1998, January 29,1999 and February 1, 1999 after he was forced to leave Syria. During his process that ended with his capture, Ocalan was hiding in residence of Greek Embassy to Nairobi between February 2 and 15, 1999. In an other works, Greece was captured while carrying out its relation with terrorism.

Greek Intelligence Service member Savvas Kalenderidis who accompany Ocalan during his stay in Athens and Kenya, in his testimony at the Prosecutors office in Athens said "I want to underline the fact that I carried out all my activities according to the direction of the Greek government," according to the Ta Nea newspaper's news report published on March 15, 1999.

Meanwhile Adesmeftos Tis kriyakis newspaper on November 26, 2000, quoted retired Admiral Andonis Naksakis who played a key role while bringing Abdullah Ocalan to Greece as saying that, "Prime Minister Simitis and Teodoros Pangalos who at the time was the Foreign Minister were knowing that Ocalan would arrive in Athens. I did everything upon the demand of the government. Savvas Kalenderidis provided help under the order of Sgruridis. Pangalos was receiving the information about Ocalan from me and he was telling me the orders of the prime minister. We brought Ocalan to Athens on January 29, 1999 and Voula Diamanako, a man of literature, played host to Ocalan at his home. We were making moves under the knowledge of the government. Because EYP was the intelligence service of Greece." His words openly showed Greek administration's relation with terrorist elements.

Capture of terrorist Abdullah Ocalan and his arrival in Turkey caused a big shock in Greece. Prime Minister Simitis, after their ties with the terror organization leader Ocalan revealed, dismissed Foreign Minister Pangalos, Interior Minister Papadapulos and Public Order Minister Pecalnikos as well as Greek Intelligence Service Chief Haralambos Stavrakakis who personally met with Ocalan.

Greek Parliament Speaker Apostolos Kaklamanis in a press release dated March 1, 1999 said that, "Greece was the responsible party for every crisis that emerge between Turkey and Greece and Greece also caused the Ocalan question."

The only result of sheltering Abdullah Ocalan in Greece was taking those who had involved in the even to the court and Greek governments effort to erase the "terror scandal" from the minds of people.

Elefterotipia newspaper in its November 15, 1999 issue reveals the atmosphere after Ocalan event:

"In February 1999, Greece was shocked with the capture of Ocalan. Prosecutors carrying out the probe were accusing the intelligence service, police, airport and private aviation company officials, retired navy officer Andonis Naksadis and politicians whose names were mentioned as a part of this event. 20 months later, two Kurds who are close friends of retired officer Naksakis and Ocalan, were hold responsible for committing four different crimes. Three out of 25 people hold responsible for Ocalan event; Andonis Naksakis, Yasar Cengiz and Ayfer Kaya alas Rozarin Lazer and also the lover of Ocalan were sent to court."

Recently, operations carried out against the November 17 terror organization were known as the most important progress showing the relations between the PKK, November, the DHKP/C and Greek Cypriot agents. There is some evidence revealing that this four elements were behind the assassinations targeting Turkish diplomats in Greece.

According to a news report of Apoyevmatini newspaper on July 22, 2002, Greek Cypriot agents have been giving training to the PKK terrorists in the Bekaa Valley since 1989. November 17 terror organization has assassinated Turkish diplomat Haluk Sipahioglu as a revenge of the murder of Greek Cypriot agent Teofilos Georgiadis on March 4, 1994. Again November 17, the DHKP/C, the PKK and Greek Agents quartet was behind the murder of Cetin Gorgu and arson attack against Deniz Bolukbası.

Ocalan was carrying a passport belonging to the Lazaros Georgiadis who was murdered in the Greek Cyprus and who was the predecessor to Greek Cypriot agent Teofilos Georgiadis when he was captured in Kenya. It was an important evidence of relation between the PKK terror organization and murdered Greek Cypriot agent.

According to a news report of To Vima newspaper on June 7, 2002, DHKP/C terror organization's leader Dursun Karatas has ties in Athens and he spends majority of his time in the Greek capital.

"European intelligence services have been warning Athens that the leaders of the DHKP/C are preparing to settle in Greece. According to a report prepared by the Greek Intelligence service, DHKP/C terrorists have opened restaurants and shops in Greece with the money they earned from the drug smuggling at the end of 1980s," according to the To Vima newspaper.


International society supports the operations against the November 17 but also expects Greece to remove suspicions. There is a joint expectation from Greece; revealing alleged relation between the November 17 and government, taking all the suspects to court and starting a self-criticism era arguing the Simitis Government's role in Greece's official ties with terror.

http://www.diplomaticobserver.com/news_read.asp?id=621

[Onur]

Btw don't think that Greek support of terrorism ended. PKK camps in Greece is still active today for anyone who wants learn how to set up a bomb or assassinate someone in Turkey. Most probably, ex-army officials of Greece are still providing training to young terrorists under the supervision of Greek government. As the bishop of Greek church in Athens declared to BBC in the message above, they provide necessary food and money by rising funds for PKK;

Kurds And Police Clash After Belgian Raids

Police in Belgium have arrested eight people on suspicion of recruiting fighters for an outlawed Kurdish separatist group. The eight were taken into custody after 300 police officers raided dozens of addresses across the country, as part of a three-year investigation into the activities of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK).

The PKK took up arms in 1984 to campaign for an independent Kurdish state and is listed as a terrorist organisation by the European Union, US and Turkey.

Belgian prosecutors claimed they had evidence to suggest those arrested were involved in falsifying passports and financing recruitment for PKK armed activities.

Spokesperson Lieve Pellens told a news conference: "We believe there are serious indications that young people, especially of Kurdish origin, were being recruited in Western countries, including Belgium, for military camps in north and eastern Iraq and Greece."

Masked police swooped on the Kurdish television broadcaster RJO in Denderleeuw during the raids. Outside the broadcaster's offices, Kurdish protesters clashed with riot-police who fought back with water canon.

March 05, 2010

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...01003115567836

[Onur]

A friend of mine gave me this info. One of her friends, father was killed in july!! and 2 days ago 9Turkish were killed again!!

Unfortunately two days ago PKK did their latest attack in the province of Hakkari, at Iraqi border. This time they attacked civilians and killed 9 Kurdish people by setting up blast mine for a civilian passenger van. It`s been thought that PKK did this to terrorize Kurdish people who didn't listen their call of boycotting referendum and voted instead;

Nine killed in Southeast Turkey landmine blast

Nine people were killed Thursday morning when a civilian passenger van hit a landmine on a road near Durankaya, in the southeastern province of Hakkari.



The van was traveling to nearby Geçitli village when it hit the mine, which was thought to have been laid by alleged members of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK.

The blast left four injured in addition to the nine killed, the provincial governor said, according to broadcaster CNNTürk. An infant was among the injured.

Turkish President Abdullah Gül said Thursday afternoon that the blast revealed the “cruelty of terrorism,” CNNTürk quoted him as saying; “We will not abandon our citizens in the face of terrorism,” Gül said. “We will not let them be oppressed.”

September 16, 2010

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p...ast-2010-09-16

Right after the referendum at last week, PKK started to threaten every Kurd in southeastern Turkey who didn't obey their boycott calls. They raided a Kurdish businessman`s factory and burned everything inside it;

Quarry attacked after owner declared 'yes' vote in Turkish poll
A marble quarry in Diyarbakır was allegedly raided by members of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, prior to Sunday’s referendum after its owner said he would vote “yes” despite the boycott in the area.

Kurdish businessman Raif Türk, owner of the sixth-largest marble-exporting company in Turkey and the president of the Diyarbakır Industrialists and Businessmen’s Association, or DİSİAD, had spoken to daily Vatan before the Sept. 12 constitutional referendum and declared he would vote “yes” on the package of proposed amendments.

Türk received threats after his statement was reported and his marble quarry was attacked by three people who were allegedly members of the PKK. The quarry, located between the districts of Hani and Kocaköy, was operated by a crew of 300. The alleged attackers visited the mine in the evening hours of Sept. 11 and spoke to the employees for around two hours before setting fire to the business’ machines and buildings and writing “Boycott” on the walls.


The original interview with the businessman appeared in daily Vatan on Sept. 5; in it, Türk addressed many topics, from the referendum process to the latest developments in politics. In regard to the BDP’s suggestion of “democratic autonomy,” he said he thought “one flag is enough for a country.”

“I do not want to live in a country with two flags. A single flag is enough for all of us as long as there is equality,” Türk said in the interview. “The people [in eastern and southeastern Turkey] do not have a demand for independence; nobody wants a second flag.”

The businessman added that the demand for democratic autonomy and the autonomous regions having their own flag alongside the national one was invented by Kurdish politicians and does not reflect the will of the people.

September 16, 2010

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p...dum-2010-09-16

[Onur]

Where did you get that passport? can you confirm that its real?

You can add anyone's picture and make it look like its apart of the passport.

It`s authentic. Please read my messages above. Both Greek and Cypriot passports has been found in the pocket of PKK leader, Abdullah Ocalan when Turkish agents caught him in Greek embassy in Kenya. Turkey showed these findings to everyone with a press conference at 1999. Both these passports has been given to him by Greek intelligent service under the supervision of their foreign minister, Mr. Pangalos.

This one is his Greek Cypriot passport;



He also had a passport issued by Greece too. I searched for the picture of that one in google images as well. I am gonna post it here if i can find it.

[Bill77]

my goodness. Thanks for all that info mate.

This is huge and does not look good on Greece. And i see there church is up to no good ..........once again.

[Prolet]

Onur, Why is Abdullah Ocelan so popular with the Kurdish people? He is responsible for many deaths.

I remember the protests in Sydney and Melbourne, the Kurdish people poured petrol over themselves and had lighters in their hands threatening to burn themselves alive.

[Onur]

Onur, Why is Abdullah Ocelan so popular with the Kurdish people? He is responsible for many deaths.

I remember the protests in Sydney and Melbourne, the Kurdish people poured petrol over themselves and had lighters in their hands threatening to burn themselves alive.

Ocalan and PKK is not that popular among Kurdish people in Turkey. There are 9-10 million Kurds in Turkey which equals to %11-12 of total population. There is one Kurdish political party in Turkey who indirectly supports PKK`s separatist ideas and they only get maximum 5% of votes even with strong pressure of PKK upon all Kurdish people in southeastern Turkey.

Also we did same mistake as you did b4. Like you took immigrants from Kosovo, Turkey gave passports about 250.000 Kurds from northern Iraq. When Saddam bombed them with chemicals in 1990s, about 500.000 Kurds rushed on Turkey`s border to save their lives. They stayed in southeastern Turkey for about a year and half of them never returned to Iraq. These Iraqi Kurds mingled among our Kurdish people there and most of them became PKK supporters. These people votes for the separatist political party.


The situation is completely different for northern Iraqi Kurds since USA invaded there. All Kurds are PKK supporters in Iraq. Already they have no other choice in there otherwise PKK kills any Kurd who tries to oppose them in Iraq. They cant easily kill people in Turkey but they do terrorist attacks here instead.

Currently, PKK terrorists controls northern Iraqi border and handles all the illegal drug and weapon traffic in there. They bring all the drugs to Turkey`s border, hand it over to the Kurdish immigrants of 1990s in Turkey, then these Kurds transports it to the Greece or Bulgaria and rest of the business gets handled by the PKK offices in Greece and all over EU.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

It`s authentic. Please read my messages above. Both Greek and Cypriot passports has been found in the pocket of PKK leader, Abdullah Ocalan when Turkish agents caught him in Greek embassy in Kenya. Turkey showed these findings to everyone with a press conference at 1999. Both these passports has been given to him by Greek intelligent service under the supervision of their foreign minister, Mr. Pangalos.

I never heard of this guy, so that's why I asked if that was real or not. I guess greece now supports nationalism, genocide, terrorism and probably everything else when it comes to hate crime.

Onur, Why is Abdullah Ocelan so popular with the Kurdish people? He is responsible for many deaths.

Why is Ljube Boskovski so popular with the Macedonians? he is responsible for many siptars deaths .

Just don't forget that Turkey has occupied Kurdish land, has killed thousands of Kurdish, doesn't give them rights. Kurdish people are in millions and they'll do this type of stuff to achieve something... get their land back?

I just can't believe they are 30 million and they don't have their own Kurdistan country. We are lucky to have Makedonija with only 1.3 million Makedonci .

[Onur]

Just don't forget that Turkey has occupied Kurdish land, has killed thousands of Kurdish, doesn't give them rights. Kurdish people are in millions and they'll do this type of stuff to achieve something... get their land back?

I just can't believe they are 30 million and they don't have their own Kurdistan country. We are lucky to have Makedonija with only 1.3 million Makedonci .

Kurdish land?

When we came to Anatolia at 1000 AD, there was no Kurdistan here. There has never been a country called Kurdistan throughout human history.

There are 9-10 million Kurds in Turkey and maybe up to 20 million in the world. It`s not just a luck for you to have a country named Macedonia or we have one here called Turkey. Even if Kurdish population would be 100 million, it wouldn't matter cuz like i said, there has never been a country called Kurdistan b4 and it will never be unless the other people who lives around here, like Arabs, Turks and Iranians allows them to create one.

Remember, 15 million Jews in the world didn't have a country `till 1940s even tough most of them were so rich. This wasn't the case without a reason either.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

My dad met a Kurd a couple of years ago and he said that he's country is split just like Macedonia is into 4 pieces.

I don't know why Turks act just like greeks when it comes to kurds. A week ago I saw on the news there was a Kurdish statue built in Australia, forgot where it was, and some turks sprayed it and wrote FUCK KURDS.

Besides the Turk & Kurd problem, you guys are very peaceful and can live with everyone.

[Onur]

My dad met a Kurd a couple of years ago and he said that he's country is split just like Macedonia is into 4 pieces.

I don't know why Turks act just like greeks when it comes to kurds. A week ago I saw on the news there was a Kurdish statue built in Australia, forgot where it was, and some turks sprayed it and wrote FUCK KURDS.

Besides the Turk & Kurd problem, you guys are very peaceful and can live with everyone.

Kurdish people got separated into 4 different countries after WW-1 and these borders has been drawn by Brits at that time. Like i said above, there was no country called Kurdistan existed b4, so it`s not possible to divide a country which never existed.

Mate, It`s absurd to compare them with Macedonia cuz there was an ancient kingdom called Macedonia, then Roman province of Macedonia, Ottoman Empire province of Macedonia, Socialist Republic of Macedonia and then current ROM. There was no historical entities like that existed for the Kurds with a name of Kurdistan. Dont you know this? C`mon, I should try to teach history of Macedonia to a Macedonian?

Also maps like this only shows the places where Kurdish people lives. Otherwise, you cannot create a country by drawing borders on papers or with a computer program. I can do the same for pretty much every country then. Like Szeklers in Romania, Turks in western Thrace or eastern Bulgaria. Should i draw maps which shows eastern Thrace and Bulgaria as a part of Turkey then?

Besides, we have no problem with Kurds but we have a problem with a terrorist organization called PKK. We lived with Kurds here for 1000 years, like we lived with dozens of others `till 20th century. We have that culture here much longer than it existed in Australia or USA.