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  • Delodephius
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    • Sep 2008
    • 736

    The sound of ancient languages

    Compared to Modern Greek, how much is Classical Greek different? I know some of you speak Greek, so I was just wondering what's your lay opinion about it compared to the ancient version. How much can you understand and what about the accent?

    YouTube - The Iliad XXIV
    Last edited by Delodephius; 02-13-2009, 06:08 PM.
    अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
    उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
    This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
    But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.
  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13670

    #2
    Is that what ancient Greek sounded like??
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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    • Soldier of Macedon
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 13670

      #3
      The "D" is hard instead of soft.
      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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      • Dimko-piperkata
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 1876

        #4
        slovak, the orginal version is in old macedonian language written.
        dont waste your time to compare a fake with a fake, wake up.
        1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum...
        2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...

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        • Soldier of Macedon
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 13670

          #5
          How about the 'TH', is it soft also?

          The above recorded sounds nothing like modern Greek.
          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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          • Delodephius
            Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 736

            #6
            The guy who reads it is not exactly an expert, but he's trying. I found a website with several ancient poetry read by professional scholars/poets who made it sound pretty good:


            Here is an excerpt from Demosthenes:


            And a better reading of the Illiad:


            To me, ancient Greek kinda sounds like Hungarian for some reason. The accent I mean, but Hungarian accent has nothing to do with Greek.
            Last edited by Delodephius; 02-13-2009, 06:59 PM.
            अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
            उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
            This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
            But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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            • Delodephius
              Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 736

              #7
              Dimko, there is no such thing as a fake language. Shocking? Wake up, asshole!
              अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
              उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
              This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
              But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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              • Soldier of Macedon
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 13670

                #8
                Slovak, do we know what language the Iliad was originally written in, was it 'Homeric' Greek or Pelasgian or something else?
                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                • Delodephius
                  Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 736

                  #9
                  Who knows! But use logic. The author(s) of Iliad favour(s) the Achaeans not Trojans. I would say the Iliad is the Greek version of the story, so it was most likely in Homeric Greek or it's older version or some dialect of it.
                  अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
                  उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
                  This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
                  But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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                  • Spartan
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1037

                    #10
                    I have read, that there is a bigger difference in the Greek of Homer to the Greek of Xenophon, than the Greek of Xenophon to todays Greek.(hope that made sense, lol)

                    Homer- 900-800 bc
                    Xenophon-500-400bc

                    The Illiad and Odyssey were written in Ancient Greek

                    What is a fake language?
                    How can that be?
                    Its either a language or not, no?

                    Anyways, I will find some info on this topic and post it here for you guys

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                    • Soldier of Macedon
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 13670

                      #11
                      Are we able to obtain a list of words from Homeric Greek? I have seen all sorts of theories thrown out there, even proposing connections to the Albanian (Shqiptar) language.
                      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13670

                        #12
                        Don't know the credibility of this.

                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • Delodephius
                          Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 736

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Spartan View Post
                          I have read, that there is a bigger difference in the Greek of Homer to the Greek of Xenophon, than the Greek of Xenophon to todays Greek.

                          Homer- 900-800 bc
                          Xenophon-500-400bc

                          The Illiad and Odyssey were written in Ancient Greek
                          The Iliad and Odyssey were reformed during the time of the Athenian dictator Hipparchus (d. 514 BC). They were modernized and placed into a canonical form that we know today. It was mostly concerning the recitation of the texts.

                          Originally posted by Spartan View Post
                          What is a fake language?
                          How can that be?
                          Its either a language or not, no?
                          The idea of a fake language is propagated by nationalists who think that language is made for the people and not by the people. Language is not an intellectual property, or property of any kind. It cannot be faked since it is always unique no matter what you do with it.
                          अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
                          उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
                          This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
                          But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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                          • Delodephius
                            Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 736

                            #14
                            SoM, I'll say this openly: Shqip conection? Pile of flaming dog shit. Someone should try with Japanese. That list was made by someone with almost no knowledge of language systems.
                            अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
                            उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
                            This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
                            But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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                            • Soldier of Macedon
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 13670

                              #15
                              Lol, thanks Slovak.
                              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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