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Selanec 03-03-2020 10:53 AM

Macedonia and Macedonians in WWI
 
Hello everyone, does anyone here have any good articles or sources that discusses Macedonias involvement in WWI? I know of the "Macedonian Front" but I am unable to find much information about the people living there during this time, but rather the invading countries using the region as a theater of War (Austrians against British and French for example), and that there are graveyards of British and French soldiers in Skopje and elsewhere.

I recently started watching a YouTube series that talks about WWI in incredible details (week by week), but they have skipped over the First and Second Balkan Wars and on the map they just have Vardar Macedonia as a part of Serbia. [url]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUcyEsEjhPEDf69RRVhRh4A[/url]

I have only started watching these videos so it would be interesting if they mention "Macedonians" later on, thus far no mention.

I would have imagined for example that Macedonians living in that region would have fought for the Serbs against the Austro-Hungarians? I have no stories from my family from WWI (in contrast, a lot of great uncles and even a grandfather that has served in WWII). Considering the area was part of a number of big battles, I doubt the people living there would not have contributed in some shape or form?

Liberator of Makedonija 03-03-2020 09:12 PM

Yeah this is a topic I too am interested in. Many Macedonians were conscripted into opposing armies, I think Risto Stefov explored how Macedonians would flee to the mountains to avoid conscription. I remember reading an old newspaper about the mass defection of Macedonians in the Serbian army as well.

Some Macedonians were organised into a Macedonian batallion within the Bulgarian army, both Todor Aleksandrov and Aleksandar Protogerov have been accused by some of committing terrible atrocities during the Bulgarian occupation of Vardar Macedonia and Serbia during the war.

Selanec 03-03-2020 11:12 PM

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;182251]Yeah this is a topic I too am interested in. Many Macedonians were conscripted into opposing armies, I think Risto Stefov explored how Macedonians would flee to the mountains to avoid conscription. I remember reading an old newspaper about the mass defection of Macedonians in the Serbian army as well.

Some Macedonians were organised into a Macedonian batallion within the Bulgarian army, both Todor Aleksandrov and Aleksandar Protogerov have been accused by some of committing terrible atrocities during the Bulgarian occupation of Vardar Macedonia and Serbia during the war.[/QUOTE]

Oh interesting, I remember Risto Stefov used to write articles - I am not having much luck finding them online though, if you or anyone else knows where they are it would be great to look though them.

And atrocities along the lines of the Surdulica massacre?

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surdulica_massacre[/url]

Liberator of Makedonija 03-04-2020 02:49 AM

[QUOTE=Selanec;182254]Oh interesting, I remember Risto Stefov used to write articles - I am not having much luck finding them online though, if you or anyone else knows where they are it would be great to look though them.

And atrocities along the lines of the Surdulica massacre?

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surdulica_massacre[/url][/QUOTE]


Risto's articles have their own threads on this forum.

I don't know specifically, these were just accusations.

Stojacanec 03-04-2020 08:03 PM

Selanec, you may want to look at "The Balkan Wars from Contemporary Perception to Historic Memory" from Sabine Rutar for Macedonian contribution in WW1 with references. Especially pages 291 to 313.

Selanec 03-05-2020 12:37 AM

[QUOTE=Stojacanec;182261]Selanec, you may want to look at "The Balkan Wars from Contemporary Perception to Historic Memory" from Sabine Rutar for Macedonian contribution in WW1 with references. Especially pages 291 to 313.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for this Stojcanec. I will check it out!

Selanec 05-17-2020 02:08 AM

I have continued watching the videos about WW1 and here they mention Macedonians at around the 1-2 minute mark:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsNPf3DMMA&list=PLB2vhKMBjSxMK8YelHj6VS6w3KxuKsMvT&index=62[/url]

The previous 61 videos in the series made no mention of Macedonia and have simply had that region as part of Serbia.

I will post any more videos if they mention Macedonia in relation to WW1.

Also this was a post from one of the comments:

"1:58 my Great Grandfather was one of the Macedonian Soldiers in these wars. He told me his story.. they were forced into the Bulgarian Army and positioned at the front, so that the Macedonians will die first in a rush, and this happened from all sides both Serbia and Bulgaria were forcing Macedonians into their ranks by going around village to village picking up young men to die for them.
My great grandpa and the people from his village all planned an escape, they all got up one night before a battle, about 20 men and ran away taking their guns and ammo with them back to the village ...

Edit: not muslims"

Liberator of Makedonija 05-17-2020 06:22 AM

[QUOTE=Selanec;182939]I have continued watching the videos about WW1 and here they mention Macedonians at around the 1-2 minute mark:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsNPf3DMMA&list=PLB2vhKMBjSxMK8YelHj6VS6w3KxuKsMvT&index=62[/url]

The previous 61 videos in the series made no mention of Macedonia and have simply had that region as part of Serbia.

I will post any more videos if they mention Macedonia in relation to WW1.

Also this was a post from one of the comments:

"1:58 my Great Grandfather was one of the Macedonian Soldiers in these wars. He told me his story.. they were forced into the Bulgarian Army and positioned at the front, so that the Macedonians will die first in a rush, and this happened from all sides both Serbia and Bulgaria were forcing Macedonians into their ranks by going around village to village picking up young men to die for them.
My great grandpa and the people from his village all planned an escape, they all got up one night before a battle, about 20 men and ran away taking their guns and ammo with them back to the village ...

Edit: not muslims"[/QUOTE]

Would love to know more about that

Rogi 05-17-2020 10:06 AM

Selanec, it's worth reading "Military Operations Macedonia - The official Brittish History". There are two volumes and it goes into considerable detail

Selanec 05-18-2020 04:53 AM

[QUOTE=Rogi;182943]Selanec, it's worth reading "Military Operations Macedonia - The official Brittish History". There are two volumes and it goes into considerable detail[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the suggestion Rogi, it seems to be a hard to find set of books as I can't see them in my local library or online! Will need to keep looking!

This seems to provide a good review of the two books:

[url]http://www.balkanalysis.com/blog/2006/01/19/military-operations-macedonia-the-official-british-history-2/[/url]

"Finally, there are a few moments when the intractable “Macedonian question” is mentioned, if unwittingly, by the author. By and large it is clear that he considers the Serbian armies to be liberating “their” lands when advancing over the mountains to Bitola and up the Vardar. The occasional mention of the term “Macedonians” is also slightly ambivalent. There is the “picturesque little body of Macedonians” recruited by the British in the Dojran area, “whose early training as banditti proved useful and who carried out their duties fairly satisfactorily under two British officers” (p. 27). And then there is the description of the “Macedonian troops” under Bulgarian command, who “had for some time had an indifferent reputation, as the numerous soldiers of Serbian nationality among them had no desire to fight for Bulgaria” (p. 161)."


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