[QUOTE=Imagination;90151][url]http://www.ruralpovertyportal.org/web/guest/country/home/tags/macedonia[/url]
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Look at what your own minister says : 31% poverty !!! And Turkey has miserable standarts compared to Greece, read the statistics. Why should Greeks want Turkish citizenships ? Either they are Muslims or want to start a business there duh.... And to repeat, I'm not from Greece and stop asking that. You never said where you are from anyway. And just to tell you some interesting facts : a Greek fire police officer gets a pension around 45 or a bit more and 40 000 euro in a single day ! Will they give their state officials permanent jobs and contracts for life if they were so poor ? You shouldn't be so deceived. If Greeks go poor and lower their huge life standart, then I guess the rest of the Balkans will be like Africa...[/QUOTE]

What is your take on the Bulgarification of Macedonia, would that be a positive thing according to you?

[QUOTE=Imagination;90151][url]http://www.ruralpovertyportal.org/web/guest/country/home/tags/macedonia[/url]
[url]http://news.reportlinker.com/n03923069/Macedonian-finance-minister-says-higher-poverty-rate-expected-.html[/url]
Look at what your own minister says : 31% poverty !!! And Turkey has miserable standarts compared to Greece, read the statistics. Why should Greeks want Turkish citizenships ? Either they are Muslims or want to start a business there duh.... [B]And to repeat, I'm not from Greece and stop asking that. You never said where you are from anyway.[/B] [/QUOTE] Whos asking what?

By the way, i am Macedonian who lives in Bulgarian illegal occupied land of Macedonia

[QUOTE=Daskalot;90154]What is your take on the Bulgarification of Macedonia, would that be a positive thing according to you?[/QUOTE]

Changing the subject, are we ? Can't you say one thing on the topic ? I'm not answering anymore of these silly questions. Do whatever you want, but remember you're from the diaspora too and you don't know squat about the Macedonians in Macedonia. So go back talking about history while your people endure 31% poverty.

[QUOTE=Imagination;90157]Changing the subject, are we ? Can't you say one thing on the topic ? I'm not answering anymore of these silly questions. Do whatever you want, but remember you're from the diaspora too and you don't know squat about the Macedonians in Macedonia. So go back talking about history while your people endure 31% poverty.[/QUOTE]

I am more in Macedonia than I am elsewhere in the world.
So I know what the average Macedonian has to endure. Do you?
I remember the 80s when bus loads of Bulgarians would cross the boarder and sell their stuff for almost nothing, do you remember this?

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I remember the 80s when bus loads of Bulgarians would cross the boarder and sell their stuff for almost nothing, do you remember this?[/QUOTE]

Or their women would go for one chervena / 100 YU dinari and do what ever someone likes them to do!

what a shame that was!

I cannot imagine the government are not imaginative in manipulation tactics to get around a lot of this. Their inaction is bemusing to say the least.

For instance a lot of the mosques and other places the Albanians are trying to get hold of are not Albanian but Turkish and their pretence is that the Albanians are Muslim and hence their Muslim organization should control a Muslim building like a mosque. The argument appears to have merit but we know it is false.

The government should have aided the Turkish minority and the Macedonian Muslims to get together to have a larger number and set their own NGO for religious matters and administration of mosques such that any ottoman era building is owned by them. When the Albanians try to spread their influence by claiming buildings the Turkish NGO can just say what does it have to do with you please leave. In this way their sphere of influence will be limited to only mosques built by the Albanians.

I would think that if the Turkish NGO needed funds for reconstruction ect the Turkish government or religious organizations would be willing to help. By doing this the influence of any radical Muslim groups from outside wanting to help the Albanians is also curtailed. Its really not that difficult.

Finally someone changed the subject ! My hero ! And I don't remember anything in the Eastern Bloc like that, makedonin, as there were so many job offers and places. What you just said is made up. But if you make up things like that it shows your level.

[QUOTE=Imagination;90170]Finally someone changed the subject ! My hero ! And I don't remember anything in the Eastern Bloc like that, makedonin, as there were so many job offers and places. What you just said is made up. But if you make up things like that it shows your level.[/QUOTE]

You can claim it as made up and I can't prove it, yet it is a well known fact since they were hoocking openly and were asking almost any adult that they thought has money. The Standard sentence was something like:"haide za edna chervena". It does not really matter if you believe it or not, those who were in east Macedonia in those times know what I say.

[QUOTE=Imagination;90122]Macedonia will face a massive territory grab from Albania, because, as with Serbia, there will be a world call "Oh no, Albanians are being discriminated, they have so much population etc." The government should do whatever it can to reduce poverty in ROM as it is a problem. If the Macedonians live fine and the diasporans find ways to come back and live there, there won't be any problem. As for the Albanians, if Macedonia isn't in the EU by then, it could expel some part of them, but if they are in NATO or the EU - never. NATO does not need a small country as Macedonia, NATO is US - controlled , mainly, and one of the USA's bestest friends is Turkey, being a friend with Albania as they are the only Muslim nations in Europe and have very warm opinions to each other... In short, I don't think Turkey is a friend of Macedonia, but think of it this way : Macedonia is a landlocked country and all countries surrounding it have a nice army and can conquer it easily.... not to mention they hate ROM... But if Turkey protects Macedonia, it protects the Balkan powers from becoming too strong, and if they become too strong, there will never be a state like the Ottoman Empire... but if a not so strong Macedonia stays and the others fight for it, between themselves, it will be easier...[/QUOTE]

LOL what the hell do you know about macedonia? Your just scare mongering macedonians.

Turkey is a real ally of macedonia, and has been since macedonia's independence. Grease is a respected member in the EU???? LOL People in Austria/germany/slovenia/Czeh rep think of you guys as nothing more then black, lazy welfare grabbing nobody's. You guys are the disgrace of europe.

[QUOTE=Big Bad Sven;90231]LOL what the hell do you know about macedonia? Your just scare mongering macedonians.

Turkey is a real ally of macedonia, and has been since macedonia's independence. Grease is a respected member in the EU???? LOL People in Austria/germany/slovenia/Czeh rep think of you guys as nothing more then black, lazy welfare grabbing nobody's. You guts are the disgrace of europe.[/QUOTE]

.....and those are your good points!:2guns: