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Komita 03-13-2011 10:26 AM

[QUOTE=Niko777;92375][B]What I have posted above is something that the Macedonian government censors from the public, something that they don't want you to know. While politicians like Gruevski, Crvenkovski, the media, and the rest, continue to deceive Macedonians with phony promises, the name issue, the economy, and who knows what else - back room deals with enemies are taking place. Macedonian politicians are nothing more than wolves dressed up in sheep cloths. They have sold off Macedonia, they have cost the Macedonian their country, their freedom and their identity. Let this be clear to everyone![/B][/QUOTE]

So has the macedonian public. y

Imagination 03-13-2011 10:26 AM

[QUOTE=Komita;92469]Albanians are ugly but as a people they stand up for eachother. They are not to blame for this, the macedonians are to blame because they frankly dont care about the situation.[/QUOTE]

Very well said, but most people care because this is one of the most active topics. Look at America - so ethnically diverse that any person could be a foreign spy. But the people listen the American anthem every day at school so they love their country and care for it.

George S. 03-13-2011 11:16 AM

the albanians are as ugly as hell but gruevski keeps going with the deals whether it's sports halls or other things all legitimising their claims.
Even terrorists get recognition & dead ones get a heros welcome.

Niko777 03-13-2011 11:49 AM

[B][COLOR="Red"][U]Main Hostpital in Gostivar renamed after famous Albanian Ferid Murad[/U][/COLOR][/B]

[IMG]http://www.mia.com.mk/image1.jsp?slikaid=81980735&imgType=n[/IMG]

Big Bad Sven 03-14-2011 08:00 AM

[QUOTE=Bij;92410]Everyone anti Macedonia is ugly. That's a given.

This is not to detract from the fact that I'm yet to meet a good looking Albanian man. Or even a decent looking Albanian man. Or, you know, an Albanian man with a full set of teeth.[/QUOTE]

I think the albanian ghegs in macedonia are ugly in both physical terms and most importantly personality/human side. They are very racist and cruel people.
Most ghegs in macedonia have that dopey hillbilly look, and to tell you the truth i honestly think that because the ghegs have been a mountainous tribal people that have been uncivilized, its perhaps due to poor health/hygiene and probably incest or something. They just look off.

And then you have the ones that look hell arabic/middle eastern.

But not all "albanians" are ugly.

My cousins posted up images of their trip to albania on their facebook profile and there were so many beautiful albanian woman in the nightclubs and the bar maids were amazing. All model material. These were all in Vlore and Sarande, southern albania, tosk albanians.

I have a few female friends who are tosk and they are quite hot as well. Very nice as well, not as selfish or cruel as the ghegs.

I guess what i am trying to say that it is no surprise to me that the general consensus here is that people think that the inbred arabic looking ghegs as ugly, however i think the more "European" tosks are better looking. More proof in my opinion that tosks and ghegs are more different then they like to admit....

Big Bad Sven 03-14-2011 08:10 AM

[QUOTE=Komita;92469]Albanians are ugly but as a people they stand up for eachother. They are not to blame for this, the macedonians are to blame because they frankly dont care about the situation.
Ne postoi po sebicen, materijalisticki nastroen narod od makedonskiot.
Most macedonians dont care for nothing else but themself, to buy more things so they can impress their family, friends and neighbours.
Our mentality has brought us to this stage, dont blame the albanians because they have just taken the advantage.


Ps. Nice to see our western "friends" and their flags in the background and their ally Saudi-Arabia in Slupcane.:rolleyes1:[/QUOTE]

I think you are correct about the greedy sort of thinking by a large portion of macedonians, both diaspora and republic.

You have to admire the shiptars, whether they are gheg or tosk, muslim, christian or catholic, from kosovo macedonia or albania - they all work for the same goal and put their differences aside when it matters. More impresivly they all are proud of "albanians" throughout different eras from history - from the illyrians, to albanians that were catholic, to the muslims albanians that were running the ottoman empire.

Unfortunately things are different in macedonia - we have macedonians from grease that call macedonians in the republic as serbs and macedonians from the republic call them greeks. We have christian and muslims macedonians fighting against each other in the name of their religion when we should be one and united. Both the diaspora and the macedonians from the republic refuse to work with each other and dare i say it hate each other.

And then we have lunatic christians like you who mock our connections and admiration of alexander the great and the ancient macedonians. Yet ironically the albanians worship and admire the ancient illyrians but at the same time also claim and are proud of their muslim sultans in the ottoman empire. Why cant we be like this?

We can mock the shiptars all night and day, but i honestly think they are more switched on then us, while we are all fighting each other and arguing who the "real" macedonian is.....

Big Bad Sven 03-14-2011 08:15 AM

[QUOTE=Niko777;92375][B]What I have posted above is something that the Macedonian government censors from the public, something that they don't want you to know. While politicians like Gruevski, Crvenkovski, the media, and the rest, continue to deceive Macedonians with phony promises, the name issue, the economy, and who knows what else - back room deals with enemies are taking place. Macedonian politicians are nothing more than wolves dressed up in sheep cloths. They have sold off Macedonia, they have cost the Macedonian their country, their freedom and their identity. Let this be clear to everyone![/B][/QUOTE]

That is the unfortunate reality - you will not see or hear about this in macedonian media. It is just even more proof of how sick our "leaders" are.

We on this forum would probably not know about this unless you posted these photos - and we are grateful for your efforts.

However you cant say the macedonians dont know what is going on. A lot of what you have posted is happening in big cities like Skopje and Kumanovo. It is happening in the macedonians neighborhoods and local councils, and for the unfortunate right next door to them.

I think all of macedonia know exactly what is going on with the shiptars, however they choose to stick their heads in the sand and hope the problem will go away....

MKPrilep 03-14-2011 08:54 AM

I support you completely Big Bad Sven
and it is also true what komita said.
We have to blame ourselves for our situation.
Za zal, ama i jas mislam deka makedoncite se
eden od najsebicen narod so postoj na balkanot i epten ljubomorni.
Od prileka, samo se slusa "nie nemame pari" a vie i stranci
site ste bogati. a deka pojako rabotime cela godina
za eden odmor i tie samo vo kafici sedat toa ne gledat.
toa tolku me vadi od kontakt :censored:
i taka e se vo makedonija i so makedoncite.

fyrOM 03-14-2011 09:55 AM

[QUOTE=MKPrilep;92590]I support you completely Big Bad Sven
and it is also true what komita said.
We have to blame ourselves for our situation.
Za zal, ama i [B]jas mislam deka makedoncite se
eden od najsebicen narod so postoj[/B] na balkanot i epten ljubomorni.
Od prileka, samo se slusa "nie nemame pari" a vie i stranci
site ste bogati. a deka pojako rabotime cela godina
za eden odmor i tie samo vo kafici sedat toa ne gledat.
toa tolku me vadi od kontakt :censored:
i taka e se vo makedonija i so makedoncite.[/QUOTE]

It's an ecconomic race - one the Macedonians are loosing every day. [B]The Albanians work together[/B], buy up land and build to make more money to buy more of Macedonia and so on. Their mission is to build a country. Then they can show the west via the media that so much of Macedonia is theirs if it comes time to breaking off. In the mean time the Macedonians will just bitch at each other and the government over anything.

The Macedonians in Macedonia will tell you sitting around in caffes all day every day is how life should be and if your not doing it then you must be some kind of idiot who doesn't know how to live while the diaspora think if you expect me to support a lifestyle like that your dreaming while the Albanians will build up their part of Macedonia and their wealth and afford the lifestyle and walk away with a good chunk of the country.

Stari ne be budali sto velee,"kaj sto nema sloga nema boga"

Niko777 03-17-2011 03:27 PM

[U][B][COLOR="Red"]Macedonian Politicians Just Can't Get Enough of Albanian Culture....[/COLOR][/B][/U]

While our President is in Albania Touring the Albanian Parliament....

[IMG]http://www.mia.com.mk/image1.jsp?slikaid=82129656&imgType=n[/IMG]

Our Defence Minister in Kosovo collaborating with the Kosovar Army.

[IMG]http://www.mia.com.mk/image1.jsp?slikaid=82134597&imgType=n[/IMG]

Prolet 03-18-2011 12:04 AM

Niko777, Have you ever heard the term keep your friends close and your enemies closer? Ofcourse our politicians need to be in Albania and Kosovo, we got a popis coming up soon and they already discussed our minority issues. Bamir Topi was in Skopje for the opening of the Holocaust so they've met twice in a week.

Soldier of Macedon 03-19-2011 09:25 AM

Let's stick to the topic here, because it is a good one, and not bog it down with ignorant generalisations like 'Albanians are ugly'. It cheapens our argument - and by the way, not all Macedonians are your regular Brad Pitt replicas either.

This is a serious issue that Macedonia needs to deal with and such remarks add absolutely no value to the discussion.

Frank 03-19-2011 10:20 AM

Well said SOM, Kosovo and Macedonian Albanians are ugly in their attitude that is enough

Niko777 03-21-2011 01:10 PM

[B][COLOR="Red"][U]Vasilica Carnivals - An Ancient "Ilyrian" Tradition; Tetovo Municipality[/U] [/COLOR]

The (Muslim) Albanians of Tetovo are celebrating the Macedonian Orthodox holiday Vasilica as part of "Ilyrian Culture and Traditions".[/B]

Link: [url]http://www.tetova.gov.mk/mk/press/573.html[/url]

Quote:[B] Овој традиционален празник е приказна која датира од пред 3.000 години, [U]од античкото време на Илирите[/U][/B]
[B]
Ние всушност како општина ја поддрживме оваа манифестација , но сметаме наредната година и другите години да ја воведеме во културната програма и ќе го наречеме како [U]“Илирски карневал“[/U].[/B]

Niko777 03-21-2011 01:20 PM

When you think you've seen it all, something like this comes along....

Niko777 03-23-2011 03:18 PM

[COLOR="Red"][U][B]Kosovo's president visits Skopje, asked neighbouring Macedonia to "ease travel restrictions for Kosovars"[/B][/U][/COLOR]

[IMG]http://www.kanal5.com.mk/getImageThumbnail.php?imgPath=upload/vesti/WESTIII/ivanov_pacoli.jpg&imgSize=230&cropH=180[/IMG]

Link: [url]http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/world/breakingnews/kosovo-president-seeks-easier-macedonia-travel-regional-trade-zone-118520359.html[/url]

Niko777 03-23-2011 03:26 PM

[B]City of Skopje opens new Information Centre[/B]

[IMG]http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4685/jbjhb.jpg[/IMG]

Risto the Great 03-23-2011 04:44 PM

Why not Vlach & Turkish writing as well?
Or why not Macedonian and English if they want to look international?
Or why not just Macedonian?

Risto the Great 03-23-2011 04:47 PM

[QUOTE=Niko777;93713][COLOR="Red"][U][B]Kosovo's president visits Skopje, asked neighbouring Macedonia to "ease travel restrictions for Kosovars"[/B][/U][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
This is yet another benchmark for the agenda of the treasonous Macedonian government. If they ease any restrictions, they are attempting to destabilise the State .... plain and simple.

Soldier of Macedon 03-23-2011 06:46 PM

[QUOTE=Niko777;93350][B][COLOR="Red"][U]Vasilica Carnivals - An Ancient "Ilyrian" Tradition; Tetovo Municipality[/U] [/COLOR]

The (Muslim) Albanians of Tetovo are celebrating the Macedonian Orthodox holiday Vasilica as part of "Ilyrian Culture and Traditions".[/B]

Link: [url]http://www.tetova.gov.mk/mk/press/573.html[/url]

Quote:[B] Овој традиционален празник е приказна која датира од пред 3.000 години, [U]од античкото време на Илирите[/U][/B]
[B]
Ние всушност како општина ја поддрживме оваа манифестација , но сметаме наредната година и другите години да ја воведеме во културната програма и ќе го наречеме како [U]Илирски карневал[/U].[/B][/QUOTE]
Funny and sad at the same time.

makedonche 03-23-2011 07:39 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;93718]This is yet another benchmark for the agenda of the treasonous Macedonian government. If they ease any restrictions, they are attempting to destabilise the State .... plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

RTG
Obviously prepearing themselves for the delayed census, they weren't quite ready that's why it's delayed, give them enough time to relax the border crossings and send over enough shiptari to fulfill their 20-25% quota they need to keep their votes and voice in parliamant, so they can keep spreading the Albanian language through schools, business, churches, passports, street signs - and anywhere else they feel the need to demonstrate their authority - meanwhile thye Macedonians sit back watch it happen and wonder where their country has disappeared! :death:

Soldier of Macedon 03-23-2011 07:47 PM

And Ivanov has the audacity to walk around acting like he is some informed patriot. What a colossal disappointment he has been.

Prolet 03-23-2011 11:26 PM

I dont see a problem with Pacoli coming to Skopje, to me Kosovo is the biggest threat to our security so our governments have to work together and cooperate otherwise we'll see more people smuggling across our border. There is also nothing wrong with our citizens traveling with Id Cards, provided that the Kosovari meet the standards and have biometric id cards like we have in Macedonia it would be good for our minority who live there (The Gorani) to travel into Macedonia easier. Greek and Bulgarian Citizens travel to Macedonia with their ID Cards, so this is no different.

Im totally against having Albanian written on any sign or board in an official building like the council for example, they are not the only minority in Macedonia i would rather see it in Macedonian and English.

From what i can see so far the Kosovar President Pacoli seems alot better then the others before him, he is also a very wealthy businessman probably the wealthiest President in the Balkans which means he has alot to loose by being President should he decide to do anything stupid.

Niko777 03-24-2011 08:54 AM

[QUOTE]I dont see a problem with Pacoli coming to Skopje, to me Kosovo is the biggest threat to our security so our governments have to work together and cooperate otherwise we'll see more people smuggling across our border. There is also nothing wrong with our citizens traveling with Id Cards, provided that the Kosovari meet the standards and have biometric id cards[/QUOTE]

Prolet, what world do you live in? Maybe this would be so in a perfect world. But what makes you think that the Kosovo government doesn't support nationalist groups smuggling people and weapons in Macedonia? It is in Kosovo's interest to create instability in Macedonia! They desire a greater Albania and they are all working to achieve this.

Prolet 03-24-2011 11:13 PM

Ofcourse they do Niko777, thats why our country needs to be right there next to them and get as much information as possible. The only way to stop them is being right there, we need Kosovo economically since they import alot of energy from us. I think our trading is over 300 million euros with them which is a respectable figure, either way we cant afford to just sit back and watch their criminal activities unfold. We loose alot more that way, because we have Albanians from Macedonia hundreds of them who commit crimes in Macedonia and cross the border to Kosovo.

Soldier of Macedon 03-25-2011 01:37 AM

Prolet, on what past precedent do you base your confidence in the government(s) of Kosovo? Do you honestly think they empathise with the Macedonians where it concerns their kinsmen who want to tear Macedonia apart?

Prolet 03-26-2011 12:30 PM

SOM, I dont trust them at all however it would be much worse for us if we simply let them do what they like, they got alot of pressure from the EU to start functioning properly and they are trying to show everybody that they can function like a normal country.

As long as our countries cooperate i think its much better for us to have some kind of control on what goes on in our borders. Keep in mind that the EU is forcing them to meet certain standards pretty much like what they are doing to us.

Soldier of Macedon 03-27-2011 02:53 AM

[QUOTE=Prolet;93989]SOM, I dont trust them at all however it would be much worse for us if we simply let them do what they like.....[/QUOTE]
Prolet, Kosovo's president came to Macedonia to discuss the "ease" of travel restrictions for people from Kosovo to Macedonia. Do you think this is a good thing?
[QUOTE]As long as our countries cooperate i think its much better for us to have some kind of control on what goes on in our borders.[/QUOTE]
I don't disagree with some form of cooperation.
[QUOTE]Keep in mind that the EU is forcing them to meet certain standards pretty much like what they are doing to us.[/QUOTE]
Is this where your optimism comes from?

George S. 03-27-2011 04:40 AM

they have allways wanted to connect with macedonia so that people can come & go to kosovo.Previously they had tunnels under the border,i'm not sure whether they stopped that.I don't think it's agood thing it will allow the albanians to travel & link up with kosovo.

DemirHisarski_Vojvoda 03-27-2011 06:56 AM

[QUOTE=George S.;94029]they have allways wanted to connect with macedonia so that people can come & go to kosovo.Previously they had tunnels under the border,i'm not sure whether they stopped that.I don't think it's agood thing it will allow the albanians to travel & link up with kosovo.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this, Albanians have always wanted a 'Balkans without borders'. It very much suits their dream of a 'greater albania'

In the times of yugosalvia and the early to late 90s of independant Macedonia, albanians would get locked up for even mentioning a 'greater albania', now they speak about it openly and no one does anything about it. Its like they are untouchable. They have too many privilidges. We give them a finger, they want our whole arm.

At least Kiro Gligorov and Crvenkovski (for the record im not a simpatizer of these two) kept them under control. Eg the gostivar riots in 1997 when albanians demanded more rights and albanian universities.
The government sent in 500 special police and it was all over. Now the government wont even send a dispatch unit into albanian populated towns and villages.
Boris Trajkov signed the Rankoven Dogovor and buried us.

makedonche 03-27-2011 07:27 PM

:welcome[QUOTE=DemirHisarski_Vojvoda;94036]I agree with this, Albanians have always wanted a 'Balkans without borders'. It very much suits their dream of a 'greater albania'

In the times of yugosalvia and the early to late 90s of independant Macedonia, albanians would get locked up for even mentioning a 'greater albania', now they speak about it openly and no one does anything about it. Its like they are untouchable. They have too many privilidges. We give them a finger, they want our whole arm.

At least Kiro Gligorov and Crvenkovski (for the record im not a simpatizer of these two) kept them under control. Eg the gostivar riots in 1997 when albanians demanded more rights and albanian universities.
The government sent in 500 special police and it was all over. Now the government wont even send a dispatch unit into albanian populated towns and villages.
Boris Trajkov signed the Rankoven Dogovor and buried us.[/QUOTE]

DHV
:welcome Welcome to the MTO, you make valid points - why aren't they being put in their place? Where do you hail from?

indigen 03-27-2011 08:13 PM

[QUOTE=DemirHisarski_Vojvoda;94036]I agree with this, Albanians have always wanted a 'Balkans without borders'. It very much suits their dream of a 'greater albania'

In the times of yugosalvia and the early to late 90s of independant Macedonia, albanians would get locked up for even mentioning a 'greater albania', now they speak about it openly and no one does anything about it. Its like they are untouchable. They have too many privilidges. We give them a finger, they want our whole arm.[/quote]
Actually, they had a lot more privileges in Yugoslavia post-1974 Constitutional changes and those rights were diminished with Macedonian "Independence". This was one of their big gripes in RM as they found themselves a minority and on a lower political rung than Macedonians from what they previously were accustomed to in SFRY, where they operated as unit with Kosovo Ghegs.

[quote] At least Kiro Gligorov and Crvenkovski (for the record im not a simpatizer of these two) kept them under control. Eg the gostivar riots in 1997 when albanians demanded more rights and albanian universities.

The government sent in 500 special police and it was all over.[/quote]

That was just for politics so that people like you (of which there would be many) would now say the things you are misguidedly saying. The reality is that they started the rot with numerous concessions (along with neglect and downgrading of the national defence capabilities) to the Ghegs and capitulation to the Greek demands on national sovereignty issues.

[quote] Now the government wont even send a dispatch unit into albanian populated towns and villages.
Boris Trajkov signed the Rankoven Dogovor and buried us.[/QUOTE]
This is correct but the Ramkoven was built upon previous concessions and will certainly lead to further capitulations if there is no resistance offered by an ideologically sound Macedonian Patriotic (NATIONALIST) movement!

[CENTER][B]Vancho Tarabunov - Ova vaka ako potrae [/B]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZlCmoDJBmc]YouTube - Vancho Tarabunov - Ova vaka ako potrae[/url]

[B]Goce Arnaudov - MORA EDNAS DA NE BIDE [/B]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQfyQAtZxx8]YouTube - Goce Arnaudov - MORA EDNAS DA NE BIDE[/url][/CENTER]

DemirHisarski_Vojvoda 03-27-2011 11:16 PM

Sorry i really should have introduced myself first. That was my first post on MTF. I have been reading posts on here for quit some time but have chosen to be passive (passive in the sense of not being active online) but at the same time wanted to make comments so i finally descided to become a member to add some of my thoughts to the forum.

Im a Macedonian born in Australia and have roots from Demir Hisar, one of the purest parts of Macedonia (99.5% Macedonians). Im 30 years old from the western suburbs of Melbourne.

makedonche 03-27-2011 11:27 PM

[QUOTE=DemirHisarski_Vojvoda;94094]Sorry i really should have introduced myself first. That was my first post on MTF. I have been reading posts on here for quit some time but have chosen to be passive (passive in the sense of not being active online) but at the same time wanted to make comments so i finally descided to become a member to add some of my thoughts to the forum.

Im a Macedonian born in Australia and have roots from Demir Hisar, one of the purest parts of Macedonia (99.5% Macedonians). Im 30 years old from the western suburbs of Melbourne.[/QUOTE]

DHV
Thanks for the intro, welcome again, I'm Macedonian born (kotoretz) and living in South Australia many years! Don't be shy in posting here, if you make any mistakes or get anything wrong it won't take long for people to let you know, just don't get offended! The important thing is that you are Macedonian and you have your say here, we are all seeking the truth, some of us do it in diferent ways to others, but one thing I can tell you is that you will find more truth here about Macedonia or Macedonians - good or bad - than you will anywhere else!

Risto the Great 03-28-2011 12:33 AM

DHV, welcome.
Funny you should talk about the purity of Demir Hisarians, I have heard that comment many times from them. (Usually from their 2nd heads .... joking!)

indigen 03-28-2011 12:37 AM

[QUOTE=DemirHisarski_Vojvoda;94094]Sorry i really should have introduced myself first. That was my first post on MTF. I have been reading posts on here for quit some time but have chosen to be passive (passive in the sense of not being active online) but at the same time wanted to make comments so i finally descided to become a member to add some of my thoughts to the forum.

Im a Macedonian born in Australia and have roots from Demir Hisar, one of the purest parts of Macedonia (99.5% Macedonians). Im 30 years old from the western suburbs of Melbourne.[/QUOTE]

Hi, I remember one Demihisarchanec - Slave Dimovski - here in NSW in early 1990s (he went back to live there (Demihisar or Demihisarsko) but was making regular trips back at the time) who was very patriotic and very sharp at articulating (in Macedonian language) the Macedonian struggle. I am not sure if he ever ran for any public office in Demihisar for DPMNE at a local government level or as an MP but he would have made a fine representative, though I think he may have been overlooked because of his strong nationalist convictions.

Risto the Great 03-28-2011 12:56 AM

[QUOTE=indigen;94111]I think he may have been overlooked because of his strong nationalist convictions.[/QUOTE]
If they are pro-Macedonian, they are guaranteed to be overlooked it would seem.

DemirHisarski_Vojvoda 03-28-2011 11:57 PM

Indigen i did post a reply to your comments but i dont know why it was deleted. i hope you got it the first time

Niko777 03-30-2011 02:27 PM

[SIZE="4"][U][B][COLOR="Red"]In the Last 10 years, over 300 Mosques have been built in Macedonia!!![/COLOR][/B][/U]
[B][COLOR="Red"]Ramadan Ramadani: One mosque for every Muslim in Macedonia![/COLOR][/B][/SIZE]

[B]According to unofficial sources, the most money to build mosques come from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar and Egypt, but officially, however, the most money paid by the Government of Saudi Arabia. That money was originally intended to open religious schools and promotion of religion, and the pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina.[/B]

[B]READ the FULL STORY HERE:[/B] [url]http://novamakedonija.com.mk/NewsDetal.asp?vest=33011722127&id=9&setIzdanie=22244[/url]

These nutcases are getting out of control...

Droog 03-30-2011 02:59 PM

well no church/mosque/ crazy religion temple will ever be more important than a school/hospital, so that's a waste of money(although the arabian wahhabis probably don't consider it a waste)


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