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Big Bad Sven 05-16-2012 10:22 PM

[QUOTE=MKPrilep;127566]Sllupcani, if I am right a selo near kumanovo?!

Till now I dont now that there is such a monument for our soldiers.
I know we have the new one in Prilep, but for me this isnt really
a monument to honor the fallen.

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in Prilep

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Statistics show that the shiptars only make 25%(and thats being generous) of Kumanovo, and macedonians are greatly the majority still.
However it appears that the people of Kumanovo are more then happy to sit by while the shiptars make gigantic monuments that celebrate the terrorists that tried to kill the macedonians of Kumanovo a few years ago :)

lavce pelagonski 05-16-2012 11:50 PM

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zenan 05-17-2012 05:33 AM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;127576]I assume you don't accept FYROM either. But its like saying "like it or not FYROM is what they call us in the international arena". Take a principled stance and show some integrity. Get rid of that piece of shit from your avatar.[/QUOTE]

Are you happy now? Maybe im much more Macedonian now, jesus you make me look like im anti Macedonian when i got a large vergina sun flag hanging on the wall in my room.

Soldier of Macedon 05-17-2012 07:56 AM

[QUOTE=zenan;127607]Are you happy now?[/QUOTE]
Yes. You should also be happy that you no longer use an imposed veter vo magla symbol that represents a capitulation for our people.
[QUOTE]Maybe im much more Macedonian now[/QUOTE]
You're still as Macedonian as you were before. You're just showing more integrity now - where it concerns this particular issue. It's a good thing.
[QUOTE]......jesus you make me look like im anti Macedonian......[/QUOTE]
I never said [I]you[/I] were anti-Macedonian. The symbol you were using is anti-Macedonian. And if you can understand that fact, then you can understand why self-respecting Macedonians shouldn't be using such a symbol.
[QUOTE]......when i got a large vergina sun flag hanging on the wall in my room.[/QUOTE]
Good. I have a couple of them as well, although I don't call it a 'vergina/kutlesh' sun, because that particular symbol has been found in many places across Macedonia. Most people I know refer to it as the Macedonian sun (Makedonskoto sonce), our sun (nasheto sonce), or simply the sun (sonceto).

Either way, there was no bad intention on my part. I am only trying to help a fellow Macedonian understand how devastating it is for our cause when they promote symbols of treachery. The ventilator is no different than the acronym FYROM, both are artificial and both were imposed on our people. I hope you truly understand this and didn't change your avatar just so you can avoid criticism. Many of us have been there at one point or another, Zenan, I too didn't look upon the ventilator with disdain until a couple of years ago, until I truly understood what it meant. Now I can barely stand the sight of it. It reminds me of how our people have been betrayed by their own politicians, it reminds me of cowardice and ignorance.

zenan 05-17-2012 10:00 AM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;127612]Yes. You should also be happy that you no longer use an imposed veter vo magla symbol that represents a capitulation for our people.

You're still as Macedonian as you were before. You're just showing more integrity now - where it concerns this particular issue. It's a good thing.

I never said [I]you[/I] were anti-Macedonian. The symbol you were using is anti-Macedonian. And if you can understand that fact, then you can understand why self-respecting Macedonians shouldn't be using such a symbol.

Good. I have a couple of them as well, although I don't call it a 'vergina/kutlesh' sun, because that particular symbol has been found in many places across Macedonia. Most people I know refer to it as the Macedonian sun (Makedonskoto sonce), our sun (nasheto sonce), or simply the sun (sonceto).

Either way, there was no bad intention on my part. I am only trying to help a fellow Macedonian understand how devastating it is for our cause when they promote symbols of treachery. The ventilator is no different than the acronym FYROM, both are artificial and both were imposed on our people. I hope you truly understand this and didn't change your avatar just so you can avoid criticism. Many of us have been there at one point or another, Zenan, I too didn't look upon the ventilator with disdain until a couple of years ago, until I truly understood what it meant. Now I can barely stand the sight of it. It reminds me of how our people have been betrayed by their own politicians, it reminds me of cowardice and ignorance.[/QUOTE]


Yeah well i agree with you, i just didnt want people to think of me as a ''traitor'' which was mentioned by someone lol, i just liked the picture thats all. I even got a tattoo cross with the vergina sun in the middle of it, i've even posted the picture up here on this forum a year ago or so, but thats not the point here...lets stay on the actual topic now.

lavce pelagonski 05-20-2012 09:33 PM

[URL="http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2012/05/18/feature-03"]http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2012/05/18/feature-03[/URL]

Albanian guerrilla leaders issue warnings

18/05/2012

Former paramilitary organisations have used the recent arrests of Albanians in the region to warn countries of possible retaliation.

By Safet Kabashaj for Southeast European Times in Pristina -- 18/05/12

Former Albanian paramilitaries issued warnings they will re-group if arrests of Albanians in the region continue, triggering speculation that they may undertake activities in response to the arrests.

Eight Albanians were arrested in Serbia on May 4th on war crimes charges as well as illegal possession of weapons, in addition to 20 others in Macedonia in connection with the murder of five Macedonian civilians near Skopje in April.

"Two hands for a head, we say. There is no other option," Jonuz Musliu, former political chief of the Liberation Army of Presevo, Medvedja and Bujanovac (UCPMB), told SETimes.

Musliu said a peaceful solution is preferable, but there is no will in Belgrade for one. "[Belgrade] remains the same and seeks to resolve problems with the use of force."

Albanian leaders in the Presevo Valley said their biggest concern is the warning by Interior Minister Ivica Dacic that the police actions will continue.

"The latest arrest was a message by the Serbian government that each Albanian in Presevo Valley is a potential terrorist and subject to arrest," Bujanovac Mayor Shaip Kamberi told SETimes.

Kamberi said Serbia's goal is to destabilise the region, spread fear to make Albanians migrate and thus cause demographic changes that way.

But Vladimir Vukcevic, head of Serbia's war crimes prosecution, explained that authorities have been investigating war crimes against civilians in the Presevo Valley committed in 2001.

"The arrests were part of an ongoing investigation," Vukcevic said.

In Macedonia, Xhezair "Commandant Hoxha" Shaqiri of the National Liberation Army (UCK) -- an offshoot of the Kosovo Liberation Army -- said the organisation's former commanders met to consider re-mobilising the troops "in case the provocations continue."

Macedonian analysts said the two sets of arrests should not be put in the same basket, and doing so betrays an agenda to involve Macedonia in Kosovo-Serbia relations by both countries.

"The problem that fuels the situation is the unsolved status of northern Kosovo. It appears there are attempts to maintain control over Kosovo by destabilising the region. We hear louder calls for Greater Albania or Greater Kosovo from extremist groups," Pavle Trajanov, former internal affairs minister, told SETimes.

Trajanov added that Macedonia is showing it has the political and security capacity to maintain stability, but must continue to invest in good relations with its neighbours.

There is no reason to think the former Albanian guerrillas will regroup in the two countries solely on account of the most recent events, according to Valbona Zeneli, national security professor at the George C. Marshall European Centre for Security Studies in Garmisch-Partenkirchen.

"True, these kinds of events risk fuelling the situation. Any eventual escalation of tensions threatens the security and the peace in the region; damages the need for a normal relationship between Serbia and Kosovo; negatively affects the continuation of technical talks and, more importantly, the implementation of the recent achieved agreements," Zeneli told SETimes.

Zeneli said the Albanians in Macedonia should be a factor of stability and their political structures acted wisely in condemning the murders of the five civilians and in committing to bring perpetrators to justice, regardless of ethnicity.

"They have contributed and should continue to act as responsible citizens of Macedonia, for the prosperity of the country and its integration into the Euro-Atlantic institutions," Zeneli said.

The bad economic situation and level of organised crime exacerbate ethnic-based instability, argues Marko Milosevic, a researcher at the Belgrade Centre for Security Policy.

"Various criminal groups are using this [security] gap for their own interests, and Kosovo represents a safe haven for most of those groups -- Albanians from Macedonia and Serbia, along with Serbian criminals in north Kosovo," Milosevic told SETimes.

Preventive measures by the international community -- the US, EU, OSCE -- and regional co-operation, both to solve old issues and look forward to the future, are necessary for the stability and security of the region, Zeneli said

lavce pelagonski 05-20-2012 11:33 PM

We have had this problem with the shiptari from the start
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Soldier of Macedon 05-21-2012 09:53 AM

[QUOTE]Zeneli said the Albanians in Macedonia should be a factor of stability and their political structures acted wisely in condemning the murders of the five civilians and in committing to bring perpetrators to justice, regardless of ethnicity.[/QUOTE]
How many ethnic Albanian politicians from Macedonia have condemned the murder? How have they committed to bring the murderers to justice?
[QUOTE]"They have contributed and should continue to act as responsible citizens of Macedonia, for the prosperity of the country and its integration into the Euro-Atlantic institutions," Zeneli said.[/QUOTE]
How have they contributed? What have they contributed?
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Albanian and Turkish savages in Ottoman-occupied Macedonia. Not an uncommon story.

Brian 06-03-2012 05:50 PM

If it wasn't bad enough the Albanians waving USA and EU flags to appear on the West's side now Amdi Bajram is calling himself Black. Is that an apeal to Black Muslim USA citizens?LOL.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldZNhaCyFLM&feature=player_embedded]Амди Бајрам е црнец! - YouTube[/url]

MKPrilep 06-04-2012 03:31 AM

zdravo drugari, jas sum momentalno vo prilep, i vcera svrtiv eden krug
okolu selata debreste (torbesi so se pravat siptari), lazani (bosanci),
pestalivo (mesano) i crniliste (siptari).
vo sekoj selo ima nova, giganticna dzamija.
ke gi stavam slikive denojve.
golem pozdrav od prilep!!!


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