[QUOTE=George S.;122682]THe macedonian govt should build up it's army,with more arms & numbers.It's not a matter if but when.The fanatics will act first.[/QUOTE]

I disagree, it's better to militarize the police than further militarize the military. Our military don't really matter since no country can realistically invade us in the 21st century nor if we were invaded we'd have much of a chance defending against a country like Greece who has 1,600 tanks anyhow.

Our police, on the other hand, can be used much more effectively to control the Albanians and to crush any possible nationalist-fascist uprisings by Albanians.

America is an excellent model to follow:

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[QUOTE=Risto the Great;122686]Lots of statistics Bugi, yet the Albanians refuse to participate in a census. Why?[/QUOTE]

...because they can't add their visiting Swiss/German/Italian/Kosovo relatives to their numbers, nor the 1st and 2nd generation of dead relatives and the clearly fabricated 'citizens'...

It's a form of 'creative accounting' that puts your profession to shame Risto...

Both need to be upgraded to handle any insurgency.THere is an american saying don't count yor chickens until they are hatched.Our model should be similar to israels defence.They have both military & Police.You don't send in police where clearly military should be involved.At the moment it makes sense to build up both military & police.Both need to be built up in a sovereign country.Wisfull thinking that just the police can be used to fight the albanians & to restore order.Just think who the uck are & the ANA then think about what police will do a military exercise.Police is police & military is military.Think how in the past the military uncovered huge cache of arms,terrorists were trying to blow up skopje & the military stopped it.I would recommend police to protect the state to restore law & order not engage in military combat unless it's in tandem with the military.

George there is no doubt the Macedonian Military docrine is all about Special Op Forces and the Police

[QUOTE=Zarni;122695]George there is no doubt the Macedonian Military docrine is all about Special Op Forces and the Police[/QUOTE]

It's the political will to effectively use those assets that's missing.

Phoenix is right & just remember who was training the terrorists of 2001 ex us army generals.Use of effectively.Where is the constant training & preparedness no where to be seen.
Also isn't it funny how you have both in the army & in the police of albanians .They would really have a cxonflict of interst i'm sure they wouldn't be fighting for macedonia.Probably stab or shoot you in the back can you really trust them.

[QUOTE]I am talking about government sponsored projects like Skopje 2014 till giving a uniform and a gun to someone with a criminal background so he could kill people.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't the Framework Agreement position former Terrorists with a Government payed salary and amnesty their crimes
Or what about Public Administration uqilaified Albanians making up a ethnic quota again Ohrid Framework Agreement

[QUOTE]macedonian policeman with a criminal background kills 2 albanian youths[/QUOTE]


Albanians thugs and criminals assault and carry weapons in a public space ignore demands by Police to stop

In the United State and Australia both these acts are all serious jail time crimes
Again Ethnic Macedonians and Albanians have a equal representation in the Police again Ohrd Accord

[QUOTE]Dont follow Milosevic,the only loser would be only the macedonians...[/QUOTE]

Milo must have raped you some time in you life time, the Macedonian Security security apparatus models itself on Special Ops and Police Inteliigance just like Israel obviously without the staked Military arsenal
We are more then capable of taking out your criminal behinds in suburban stings, since 2006 ther have been many.

[QUOTE]Lots of statistics Bugi, yet the Albanians refuse to participate in a census. Why?[/QUOTE]

Because this year's census started legitimately with all checks and accountable actions the Albanins could not lie and swindle numbers and the process.
They even demanded Albanian only participation in the census collection

[QUOTE]Im talking about government sponsored projects like Skopje 2014 [/QUOTE]

What is your point you prefer an Albanian National Hero in Skopje's Centre yes offcourse you do
Macedonia represents the Majority and Macedonian culture first and foremost don't like leave our Country

Albanians are a minority in our Country you seek bi-national State, succession based on the Kosov model from the 1980's with the clear goal of the Destruction of the State and Territorial aspiration being a Greater Albania

We will not let you we deserve thge right what our forefather died for
Macedonian represent the dreams and aspirations of us all

GOT IT

Forever playing the human rights card with no obligation to the Macedonian State

[QUOTE=George S.;122697]Phoenix is right & just remember who was training the terrorists of 2001 ex us army generals.Use of effectively.Where is the constant training & preparedness no where to be seen.
Also isn't it funny how you have both in the army & in the police of albanians .They would really have a cxonflict of interst i'm sure they wouldn't be fighting for macedonia.[/QUOTE]

GS, I think the training has been ongoing for the last 15 years, marked by the rotation of SF units in Iraq and now Afghanistan.
I understand that most people here are totally against Macedonia's involvement in Iraq (US operation) and Afghanistan (NATO operation) but that experience will be vital if there's ever another shiptar incursion/uprising...I hope that the same political will that sends Macedonian forces to overseas operations is used to put down a repeat of 2001 in Macedonia in a swift and brutal fashion.

i think there are benefits from active participation.I think it's their choice to participate.Even though we in the diaspora don't like it the macedonians have proved themselves in combat they are virtually able to tackle any insurgency that may arise in macedonia.I reckon the albanians haven't really learned anything in 2001 i'm sure that they aren't even cooperating with macedonians unless it's for themselves more than likely affects macedonian sovereignity.This sort of thing goes to the heart of the matter & it has to be sttled sooner than later.I think the albanians need to have their arse whipped to show them who is boss in macedonia it's as simple as that other wise the'll be asking for more & more rights which belong to macedonians.

Operation Mountain Storm was a example but that was 2007 time forgets