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Bratot 12-14-2010 09:17 AM

Rogi,

being unaware of any of my "plans" how do you know what you are talking about?

It is you convincing me that my "plan" is unrealistic, just because I don't think it's a wise idea to elaborate it on a public forum that most probably is monitored?

julie 12-14-2010 09:22 AM

The problem with the current mind set, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy, and to play the victim, without taking ownership for ones own destiny and effecting the change necessary to achieve an appropriate outcome.
If the current mind set is one whereby they are living in denial, in apathy where they really dont give a shit, or playing the victim, having a sedentary approach waiting for the saviour, this will not happen
There needs to be a moral revolution, one where the individuals collectively "get it"
I am afraid they are stuck in their slumber and will awake to find themselves the servants of the shiptari, who are not using divisive tactics, but gaining support.
The mind set of the victim, is one where they lay blame on others, or other situations for their circumstance, and mostly, these circumstances have been perpetuated by their inaction. Hence, the diaspora are the scapegoat, the problem, and shift all responsibility for their own freedom , onto a group, or individuals that cannot effect a change because they are not there.
Its tiresome waiting for sleeping beauty to be awakened and saved by their prince.
And RoM sees the EU as the saviour, and will have all the riches of the universe if they sell their souls to that devil (name, identity)
Its annoying reading protiv propoganda doing analysis of the diaspora, he too , is shifting as a victim , blame, and its almost comical (if my identity and name was not at stake) seeing RoM act like a spoilt petulant child with the softly, slowly approach, in case their is another dummy spit

Boge 12-14-2010 09:48 AM

[QUOTE=Bratot;82945]Rogi,

being unaware of any of my "plans" how do you know what you are talking about?

It is you convincing me that my "plan" is unrealistic, just because I don't think it's a wise idea to elaborate it on a public forum that most probably is monitored?[/QUOTE]

Don't worry about Rogi mate, all of his acquaintances call him Flip Flop, ain't that right Rogi. One day UMD next day AMHRC then followed by a vladika lackey boy. Your dad is a Vladika man aint he?

julie 12-14-2010 09:49 AM

Boge you are off topic mate

Boge 12-14-2010 09:52 AM

[QUOTE=julie;82960]Boge you are off topic mate[/QUOTE]
I disagree, it is related with the problem with the current mindset.

Rogi 12-14-2010 10:14 AM

I don't know Boge, I haven't heard that suggestion from any of my acquaintances. I like to think that's not the case. Perhaps you see it that way, because you see it in terms of competing interests, though the way I see it, I aim to work for and in accordance with the Macedonian Cause. Feel free to offer me some more insights into your thought processes though.

Most people, I believe, understand that people who volunteer their time and effort, like to ensure it's put to good use and for the right reasons.

I'll correct you on the "vladika lackey boy" bit though, I don't have any real connection there at all, in fact I never have. I think you're sources might have been confused.

As for my father, perhaps you should ask him instead? I think you might find that when he was involved in community affairs it was at a time when our community needed help to move away from the Yugoslav fold (and that is something that is very much related to the discussion on changing a collective mindset) and you'll find that in working to achieve that, he had excellent relations with every group in our community and was opposed to our disunity. I am of course referring to the type of disunity that you seem to be encouraging, for whatever purpose.

That is not unlike my views and I think most others on the forum.

In any case, your post was quite off topic. Feel free to send me a private message if you have any questions, I can see you've been given some incorrect information.

Risto the Great 12-14-2010 02:43 PM

[QUOTE=Boge;82959]Don't worry about Rogi mate, all of his acquaintances call him Flip Flop, ain't that right Rogi. One day UMD next day AMHRC then followed by a vladika lackey boy. Your dad is a Vladika man aint he?[/QUOTE]

Boge, is this your contribution on this thread? There are many strong Macedonian activists who come from families of Grkomani, Srbomani etc. It is irrelevant to speak of other family members and highly inappropriate no matter what (in your mind) is the truth. Any forum participant should be assessed on their own contribution. What you have contributed is obvious. This will stop.

Risto the Great 12-14-2010 02:48 PM

[QUOTE=Bratot;82945]being unaware of any of my "plans" how do you know what you are talking about?

It is you convincing me that my "plan" is unrealistic, just because I don't think it's a wise idea to elaborate it on a public forum that most probably is monitored?[/QUOTE]
Monitored by whom? Is it the evil Albanians, the evil Greeks or the Teflon Macedonians?

Can you tell us about any of the most successful secret Macedonian initiatives from the past? Don't talk about Ilinden though, Goce is on the bad list now. Remember .... thick, slaves, weak .... tsk tsk

fyrOM 12-14-2010 04:02 PM

The actions of the government did give the impression of a Grand Plan

Say you are working to solve the impediments to eu requirements

Make improvements in laws taxation judiciary ect. It is needed anyway but also it looks like you are complying so they give you funds

Suck up the eu funds to fix the country ie infrastructure agriculture ect

Drag the process out so you can suck more funds to get more done so if you do run you are in a more solid position to do so.

Modernise the army and police…on the surface for effective policing but also as a contingency if things go bad.

Also to give you more time to work on countries to recognise you

Rout out any traitors

Make contingency plans if it goes to the dogs and a referendum is called eg give the diaspora a chance to register themselves and get their papers in order as they are a solid base of No votes

Try to engage the eu un nato ect on the basic human rights to self determination and point out their own laws on this and how they apply to Macedonia

Fix up any problems with the census to ensure corruption doesn’t happen

Do the concuss and show everyone the Albanians are less than 25 percent and hence some parts of the Framework agreement don’t apply.

Eventually when the reforms are upto date and a positive evaluation is received it will become evident that ONLY the name stands in the way keep carrying on about the self determination stuff but get ready to run.

Declare you have tried everything to fix things but the name demands are unreasonable and unworkable and do a runner…there is life outside the eu…just look at Turkey.

Tear up Framework Agreement and IA

At least in theory

Scary bit seeing western RoM getting covered by diva gradba ie unplanned construction of buildings. Point to the great plan might be a smokescreen.

interesting times from april of next to the end of the following year. its got to go down one way or another.

Vangelovski 12-14-2010 04:41 PM

OziMak,

I retract my comments about you making progress...I was way too hasty. My mistake.


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