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Soldier of Macedon 06-07-2011 07:04 PM

[QUOTE=walrus335;100724]You need to brush up on your Macedonian[/QUOTE]
What a stupid and irrelevant retort. Been using that one since primary school, have we? Or are you trying to waste our time?

walrus335 06-07-2011 07:25 PM

[QUOTE=Niko777;100713]They have all left? Yea right! I have seen Albanians from Tetovo admit that today in 2011 20% of the city is made up of Kosovar refugees.[/QUOTE]

If I'm not mistake Gruevski's grandparents were from Greece and his grand father fought for the greek army.. I can say the same about Macedonians can I not?

walrus335 06-07-2011 07:28 PM

What I'm trying to say is if Gruevski's parents were from Kosova you'd be calling a newcomer but since he's not.. And most of Macedonia seems to love him. Just be careful on who you call newcomers..

walrus335 06-07-2011 07:29 PM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;100725]Well, for starters, they have a special veto power under the Framework Agreement. Effectively, that means that one Albanian vote is worth more than one Macedonian vote. Why do you think that is justified? Why should one citizen's vote hold greater weight than anothers? That is nothing more than a special privelage.[/QUOTE]

Can you provide me with an unbiased link or source?

Risto the Great 06-07-2011 07:33 PM

[QUOTE=walrus335;100734]Can you provide me with an unbiased link or source?[/QUOTE]

Precisely at this moment you are sounding extremely naive. Allow me to enjoy this moment for a while longer Wally. If Vangelovski's statement of fact is proven to be unbiased and merely a confirmation of fact, what do you think of such arrangements in the homeland of Macedonians?

Archaeologicum 06-07-2011 07:34 PM

[QUOTE=DirtyCodingHabitz;100699]Maybe because we are smarter than you thought. And yes, you have posted EU bs on another thread. And arch has posted some bs on this thread and misinformation on another one.

I can spot trolls when they popup out of nowhere just to start arguments and then mislead.[/QUOTE]

Yeah mate, your a champion

Vangelovski 06-07-2011 07:38 PM

[quote=walrus335;100734]Can you provide me with an unbiased link or source?[/quote]You've either never read the Framework Agreement and have no understanding of Macedonian statutory laws that have come out of it or you are predenting not to have. Either way, shape up quickly or your out of here.

Denial of the basic facts will not be tolerated here and I don't have the time or patience to go around in circles with Albanians.

Vangelovski 06-07-2011 07:48 PM

Section 5 of the Framework Agreement:

[URL]http://faq.macedonia.org/politics/framework_agreement.pdf[/URL]

and

Clause 11 (1) and (2) of the Law on the Committee for Inter-Community Relations (2007):

[URL="http://www.pravo.org.mk/documentDetail.php?id=779"]http://www.pravo.org.mk/documentDetail.php?id=779.[/URL]

Your next post had either explain why you think an Albanian parliamentary veto (and therefore extra weighted vote per citizen) is justified or it had better except the fact that Albanians have special privelages or you out.

Big Bad Sven 06-07-2011 07:49 PM

[QUOTE=walrus335;100690]With that type of hate there will never be any peace between the Albanians and Macedonians. Judging by the posts of some members I highly doubt that you have ever encountered an Albanian and some of the stuff is just pure propaganda.

You guys act like Albanians invaded Macedonia which is false.. Albanians have been living in Macedonia for centuries upon centuries and don't give me the they came here from Kosovo line. They aren't some type of subhuman that wishes to harm any other ethnic group.

What's so bad about them wanting some rights? After all we all are humans.. What if Australia denied Macedonians the right to speak Macedonian? Macedonians in Albania enjoy the rights to speak their own language in schools, have signs in Macedonian, etc..

And whats up the wanting to ban me? I haven't posted anything negative and I don't even have 6 posts yet? geesh[/QUOTE]

If we are to talk about human rights, what about the macedonian muslims or "torbeshi" who are harassed and pressured into thinking they are albanian and force to declare that they are albanian?

What about other oppressed muslim peoples such as the Turks, roma or bosniaks in macedonia who are bullied by albanians into declaring? that they are albanian? Even the mosques in macedonia refuse to practice their services in other peoples language and only do it in albanian...

Its a known fact that the albanians have "albanicized" old turkish ottoman mosques and are placing albanian flags on them and sing them as brainwashing centers to albanicize the other muslim minorities in macedonia and to create a artificial history in macedonia in regards to a so called "centuries" presence of albanians in macedonia.

And what about the poor macedonians who live in albanian dominated areas who face albanian intimidation every day? Remember in the last referendum when albanian thugs intimidated macedonians in not voting?

For a people that like to cry fould about human rights looks like you guys seem to abuse them every day

walrus335 06-07-2011 07:51 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;100735]Precisely at this moment you are sounding extremely naive. Allow me to enjoy this moment for a while longer Wally. If Vangelovski's statement of fact is proven to be unbiased and merely a confirmation of fact, what do you think of such arrangements in the homeland of Macedonians?[/QUOTE]

Well first of all most of the Ohrid Agreement isn't even held up.. And if this were to exist I'd guess it be a way to give Albanians more of a say. Much of the gov't is controlled by Macedonians so giving Albanians equal vote is a way for a more playing field I guess.

If you don't mind can you respond to my other posts?


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