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Brian 02-05-2012 11:24 PM

Is this crack in the wall between the Albanians and SDSM, or have they realised there's more butter on the other side.

[QUOTE][B]Artan Grubi: SDSM Asked me to create Ethnic Tensions[/B]

[url]http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/20264/1/[/url]

Sunday, 05 February 2012

Artan Grubi of NGO "Razbudi se" and SDSM's vice president Gordan Georgiev were guests at Aleksandar Chomovski TV show "Ako e.."

The two spoke of the current situation when Artan Grubi dropped a bomb shell on SDSM and its Vice President Gordan Georgiev.

-If I were to be honest here, I can tell everyone that SDSM has always tried to pick up political points by organizing protests as a way to claw back to power, said Grubi, then continued directly looking at Georgiev... - Your people have contacted me to help them organize protests during the Kale incident and also for Skopje 2014. Your people have asked me to help them organize any sort of protest that you can then use to gain political points. SDSM had even asked me to create inter ethnic tensions... so lets be honest here" said Grubi to a stone faced Gordan Georgiev.[/QUOTE]

Bill77 02-05-2012 11:30 PM

^^
Even the Albanians are shocked and amazed at SDSM tactics.
What does this say about SDSM.

makedonche 02-06-2012 02:27 AM

[QUOTE=Bill77;119605]^^
Even the Albanians are shocked and amazed at SDSM tactics.
What does this say about SDSM.[/QUOTE]

Bill77
It says pretty well what we already knew!

George S. 02-06-2012 04:40 AM

THe writings on the wall they are no good 2 bit knivers who will do anything to stay in power.They don't really care for anyone except themselves.They force other parties like vnro dpmne to conced things they don't normally deliver.Current status is case in point.THey are all just as bad.

Niko777 02-06-2012 02:54 PM

[B]I am not posting this to support Ljupco Georgievski, but I'm sure no one will disagree to what he says in this video:
[/B]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ein-B0p0-MA]Makedonija - Nova Albanska drzava (Ljubco Georgievski) - YouTube[/url]

Niko777 02-06-2012 07:30 PM

[COLOR="Red"][U][B]Albanians trying to make "Albanian Flag Day" a Country wide holiday at federal level!![/U][/COLOR]

Read article here:[/B] [url]http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/default.asp?ItemID=25EDFE18BF97F8428EC0C59A9A1CFDB6[/url]

[IMG]http://www.nato.int/kfor/media/photos/1999/lr/pic00187_lr.jpg[/IMG]

Vangelovski 02-06-2012 07:32 PM

[quote=Niko777;119628][B]I am not posting this to support Ljupco Georgievski, but I'm sure no one will disagree to what he says in this video:
[/B]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ein-B0p0-MA"]Makedonija - Nova Albanska drzava (Ljubco Georgievski) - YouTube[/URL][/quote]I saw the full version of this - his analysis of the current situation with regard to the Albanians in Macedonia is almost spot on. Later in the interview he goes a bit nuts over other issues, but that's a different topic :)

ProMKD 02-06-2012 07:43 PM

[QUOTE=Niko777;119628][B]I am not posting this to support Ljupco Georgievski, but I'm sure no one will disagree to what he says in this video:
[/B]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ein-B0p0-MA]Makedonija - Nova Albanska drzava (Ljubco Georgievski) - YouTube[/url][/QUOTE]

First of all, Georgievski is a frigging nutbag. If you use anything he says as a source, it's like using wikipedia.

Secondly, he is motivated to say such 'provocative' things to further his own political career. It only adds to this that he is speaking in front of a sofia-n reporter.

Thirdly, it is a wild exaggeration to say that the left side of Vardar is albanian territory. It's correct for us to bitch here about albanianization in Macedonia, but don't go saying things like 'half of skopje is albanian' if you don't know what you are talking about!

Vangelovski 02-06-2012 08:00 PM

ProMKD,

Without going into the specific demographic shifts around Skopje, Georgievski's analysis of Macedonia becoming an Albanian state is quite accurate. You should try and put aside some time to read the Framework Agreement.

Niko777 02-06-2012 08:43 PM

[QUOTE]Thirdly, it is a wild exaggeration to say that the left side of Vardar is albanian territory.[/QUOTE]
I think he is referring to the municipality of Cair. This has been the most Albanianized part of Skopje since 2001. Street signs, advertisements, shop signs, schools, and government buildings are all written in Albanian, not to mention the Albanian flags and Albanian street musicians, and the men with those Albanian caps and women in head scarfs. Call it what you want but one thing is clear, it doesn't look like "Macedonian territory".


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