[QUOTE=Vangelovski;119903]The point is, the Macedonians lost that war before it even began and American intervention was not really necessary for the Albanians to formalise what they had already achieved on the ground.[B][COLOR="Navy"] Anyone that has done their homework will know that the key provisions of the Framework Agreement had already been agreed to between Gligorov and the then Albanian political leaders as early as 1993.[/COLOR][/B] It was DPMNE that temporarily delayed the adoption of that draft constitution. Once the Albanians got tired of waiting for the 1993 draft constitution to be adopted, they launched the 2001 war to make their point.

The war itself was nothing more than a demonstration by the Albanians of their determination to take what they wanted and ended any self-delusion among Macedonians who 'talked the talk' but melted away at the first signs of trouble. I can think of few other nations who have done the same throughout history.
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Geez, is this for real - did they sign half the country away back in 1993???

Then what the hell are we doing here now - hoping to overturn it or bitch and moan at each new development and each new inch of ground we loose - or should I say fulfil the obligation to step back?

lol @ arqe88.

Just another shiptarche from the 'kosovo' diaspora, probably a teenager.

Listen arche, go play soccer or do normal things that people your age do. You do not belong on a forum that comments on serious matters, especially if they do not even relate to somewhere you live or come from (stole).

If being normal is not your idea of fun, I'm sure there are many innocent women and children in Oslo that are 'begging' to be sold into the sex trade, just ask one of your older relatives. Beat it.

[QUOTE=George S.;119862]Pro mkd how am i wrong.It was in the papers that albanians at the aiport told an old macedonian woman(Grandmother) i think over 90 years old. she would need to learn albanian as they speak only albanian at the aiport.She said to them she only speaks macedonian & is too old to learn albanian.If this sort of thing is not serious enough promkd get a life you might realise that
the albanians are screwing us at the airport & you are unwittingly supporting them.Pro mk wake up.That is clearly one incident of many,many tourists from australia have been told they should learn albanian at the e skopje airport.If that is not insulting i don't know what is.??[/QUOTE]

George, it's childish to believe that if you heard once that some woman had this experience that every 'tourist' from australia had this experience. Secondly, you're taking a 90 year old woman's word for it, if the story you heard was even true in the first place.

Thirdly, there are so many people working at the airport I don't even understand who this lady could have run into. The first people you see there are the passport control people - the border police. These people are overwhelmingly Macedonian. Second you meet the people of Macedonian Customs who open your bags or send them through an x-ray machine. I've only dealt with Macedonians here, but it's possible they're mixed. Who did this old lady get told off by? Why? Do you really think some shiptar walked up to a random old lady at the airport and started speaking to her in albanian??? Don't be ridiculous. If that's how any of you think Macedonia is like, you need a serious reality check.

I've said it here before, we have a problem with albanians demanding too much in our country and expecting everything to be handed to them, but don't exaggerate to the point that anything you say becomes discredited.


FROM RISTO THE GREAT
[quote]Sorry. Macedonia is being run by the ethnic Albanian majority. Macedonians are no longer in control of their own State. If you are not prepared to admit this, you should read the framework agreement. Stop kidding yourself, you had more say about your destiny when you were part of yugoslavia ... and that was shithouse.[/quote]
I have plenty to say about my destiny, and the destiny of my country. I am not a pawn of the Macedonian or albanian or other politics, and i control my own destiny. I am not alone either.

Not sure what you mean by 'ethnic albanian majority' - you mean that the majority of people running Macedonia are albanian? Even that I don't get. Majority is something that can be quantified and measured in numbers, and shiptars aren't a majority in Macedonia or Macedonian Government.

[QUOTE=ProMKD;119909]lol @ arqe88.

Just another shiptarche from the 'kosovo' diaspora, probably a teenager.

Listen arche, go play soccer or do normal things that people your age do. You do not belong on a forum that comments on serious matters, especially if they do not even relate to somewhere you live or come from (stole).

If being normal is not your idea of fun, I'm sure there are many innocent women and children in Oslo that are 'begging' to be sold into the sex trade, just ask one of your older relatives. Beat it.[/QUOTE]

you guys complaining about albanization of FYROM, and yet there were way more albanians i before 1912. in 1912 Skopje had 80 percent Albanian population., The population of Skopje was averaged at about 50,000 persons, 40,000 of which were Albanians. They were majority again in 1943-44.

this Italian document form Foreign Ministry statistics will be published soon in three languages: Albanian, Macedonian and English.


[url]http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2011/11/18/in-1912-skopje-had-80-percent-albanian-population/[/url]

[url]http://hellasfrappe.blogspot.com/2012/01/skopje-propaganda-gets-crushed-by.html[/url]





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Promkd you know jack shit if it happened it happened in you are in denial you have a problem with that grow up.Ordinary macedonians were incensed with that when they heard it it was in the macedonian weekly newspaper in australia.You got your head in the sand.The macedonian govt is inept it can say anytime enough is enough we are going to govern for the majority of macedonians.THe albanians say in your face & you readily accept
the status quo that they have overrun skopje airport.Note everyone that i have met both in australia & in macedonia say that the handing of the airport to the shiptars & the dual language bs is making things bad for the macedonian population like it or not they have to learn albanian.It's people like you in the macedonian govt who keeps denying the macedonian handing over of their country.
Pro mkd i have watched yor comments you are just an apolegetic stooge for the govt stop using other people's quotes as if they were yours.The sad fact of which you can't accept is the soverignity of our country is being erroded away by the albanians.I accept that it is you don't.

Ha that's childish & rubbish ""I've said it here before, we have a problem with albanians demanding too much in our country and expecting everything to be handed to them, but don't exaggerate to the point that anything you say becomes discredited."
It's not simply albanians demanding they are getting it without even denanding.The govt has made it's bed with the albanians as to a duopoly state.They are getting everything without a demand it's given to them on a platter.The macedonian govt has determinied that it has to cooperate with the albanians give them everything & anything & if they are lucky the'll get some of it back.The albanians don't need to demand anything.So Pro mkd you are an apolgetic stooge for the macedonian govt hiding here behind a pile of quotes.
My question to you is when are you going to comply & learn albanian so that next time you travel to skopje you won't be hassled you stooge.Oh by the way you got two options you say you are located in skopje & you can be hassled by the albanians so that you will learn albanian.Also you are located in solun where the greeks can hassle you to learn greek.BUT you are in such a denial that you will trvialise it.

[QUOTE=arqe88;119911]you guys complaining about albanization of FYROM, and yet there were way more albanians i before 1912. in 1912 Skopje had 80 percent Albanian population., The population of Skopje was averaged at about 50,000 persons, 40,000 of which were Albanians. They were majority again in 1943-44.

this Italian document form Foreign Ministry statistics will be published soon in three languages: Albanian, Macedonian and English.


[url]http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2011/11/18/in-1912-skopje-had-80-percent-albanian-population/[/url]

[url]http://hellasfrappe.blogspot.com/2012/01/skopje-propaganda-gets-crushed-by.html[/url]





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Why don't you ask the elders in Skopje to tell you what the real population was? it's hard to find real legitimate historians in the west.

The 1953 Census showed that 122,143 people lived in Skopje, of whom 74,686 or 61.1% were Macedonian, 22,562 or 18.5% were Turks, 8,650 or 7.1% were Serbian, 7,829 or 6.4% were Roma and [B]3,166 or 2.6% were Albanian[/B].

Arqe88, this is a far cry from your "majority" claims about the Albanian proportion during 1943-44. Unless you can provide evidence for mass deportations, I don't see how the Albanians could have gone from a "majority" to 2.6 per cent in 10 years, given their natural growth rates.

[QUOTE=arqe88;119911]you guys complaining about albanization of FYROM,...
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cough-cough :ban:

[QUOTE=arqe88;119911]you guys complaining about albanization of FYROM..........bannned in 3.2.1[/QUOTE]
Good riddance moron.