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Soldier of Macedon 09-20-2009 11:00 PM

A Macedonian theme is deserving and is already in the deep stages of development where it concerns our history during the Roman Empire. Sources are being gathered and consolidated, the true story of the Macedonians is being put together, and soon we will be producing something that is certain to rock and topple the foundation of lies that has been used against us for so long. That is a promise.

TrueMacedonian 09-21-2009 03:32 PM

[url]http://www.wegm.com/coins/basili.htm[/url]

Basil I
"The Macedonian", Emperor, 867 - 886,
[I][B]Born into a Thracian or Macedonian peasant family - probably originally deportees from Armenia during the empire's efforts to repopulate the reclaimed Balkans - sometime between 830 and 835, Basil was to rise to become not only one of the most significant emperors in Imperial history, but also the founder of the Empire's greatest dynasty.[/B] As an infant, his parents, it is said, once laid him out to sleep while they worked in the hot sun. Much to the peasants' consternation, an eagle, the Imperial bird, flew above the baby, protecting him from the sun and predicting the child's future. Basil came the capital as a young man, where he rose speedily, [B]like that other Macedonian peasant Justin I, three hundred years previously.[/B] Official propaganda compared Basil's rise from peasantry to the purple with that of the Biblical David's.[/I]

TrueMacedonian 09-24-2009 12:02 PM

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TrueMacedonian 10-13-2009 07:02 PM

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Pelister 10-13-2009 07:49 PM

I like the use of the expression "A Macedonian House" which is used by some authors, particularly when they are talking about Justinian's "House".

It is comforting to know that the mother-language of some of the greatest Byzantine Emporers had been Macedonian, and it also reminds me just how possible it is for one person to speak and understand more than one language during these times, and how the multi-lingual presence of any individual has been used by New Greeks in our time as "proof" that that person was "a Greek".

Pelister 10-13-2009 07:56 PM

T.M the sources you provide here are invaluable, and your contributions are helping our cause.

It makes our history and our culture easily accessible. I wish we had a small army of good men like yourself - working in this area.

Wouldn't it be good if we could organize ourselves in this effort, by perhaps beginning with a list of topics/issues/events/individuals/themes, which we could add to as we find information in books on it (any and every book).

TrueMacedonian 10-13-2009 10:17 PM

Thanks for the kind words Pelister. Everyone in here contributes an immense amount of good info on our history and I hope that someone does better justice than MANU did with that amateur toilet paper they call an encyclopedia.

astibo 10-16-2009 02:38 PM

THE HUNGARIAN DUKE ARPADIAN ATTACKS THE
MACEDONIANS


After 896 AD


According to the anonymous Hungarian chronicler (279)

(The Hungarian military commanders) returned to Arpadian (280) and sent emissaries to
receive permission to go to Greece in order to subjugate all of Macedonia, from the
Danube to the Black Sea (281). (Arpadian permitted them) to go to Greece and to conquer
the land ...

After several days, Zuard and Kaduze (282) with their entire army sailed across the
Danube and captured the fortification of Beron (283).

Then they headed for the fortress of Serdika. Hearing of this, the Macedonian (284) and
the Bulgarian inhabitants were frightened at their appearance. Then all the inhabitants of
this country sent emissaries with many gifts for them to subjugate their country and to give
their sons as hostages. ..

Anonymi (P. Magistri) Gesta Hungarorum, Scriptores rerum Hungaricarum tempore
ducem regumque stirpis Arpadinae Gestarum. Vol. I (Edendo operi praefuit E.
Szentpetery) Budapestini 1937, p. 91, 92.

(279) The anonymous Hungarian author (P. Magister) was a notary to Bela III (11721196).
In his work De gestis Hungarorum liber (Gesta Hungarruom) from which only an
extract is presented here, in addition to other peoples he also mentions the Macedonians.
(280) "Arpadian the grand duke" (890-907), under whose command the Hungarians
arrived in the Pannonian valley.
(281) At the end of the 12th century in Hungary, Macedonia referred to the territory from
the Danube to the Black Sea.
(282) Refers to the two army commanders who were granted permission by Arpadian to
conquer the above-mentioned country on the Balkans.
(283) Berons, Branitevo -present-day Kostolac.
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(284) Cives Bulgarorum et Macedonum. Here the author clearly differentiates the
Bulgarians and the Macedonians. For similar examples see S. Antoljak, “Makedonija” i
“Makedonsite” vo sredniot vek p. 114 et seq.
(Page 76, The University of “Cyril and Methodius”, Documents on the Struggle of the
Macedonian People for Independence and a Nation-State, Volume I)

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I just want to mention that what i'v posted abouve i'v found on the net thanx to mr.Risto Stefov...

makedonin 10-16-2009 04:30 PM

Добро дојде Штип.

Како иде.

Поздрав македонин

astibo 10-17-2009 04:59 AM

Добро ве најдов :)

поздрав

TrueMacedonian 12-06-2009 05:21 PM

Bratot where are the pages you posted? Please tell me you can still repost them :001_unsure:

Bratot 12-07-2009 09:34 AM

You have exceeded the 10 GB monthly bandwidth limit on your free
Photobucket account. As such, your image and video links have been
temporarily disabled. Your images and videos have not been deleted but [B]will be reactivated on the 19th of the month[/B], when your bandwidth
usage resets to zero.
:(


Can you tell me a better image hosting service than photobucket?

TrueMacedonian 12-07-2009 07:16 PM

[QUOTE=Bratot;29114]You have exceeded the 10 GB monthly bandwidth limit on your free
Photobucket account. As such, your image and video links have been
temporarily disabled. Your images and videos have not been deleted but [B]will be reactivated on the 19th of the month[/B], when your bandwidth
usage resets to zero.
:(


Can you tell me a better image hosting service than photobucket?[/QUOTE]

I really don't know of one Bratot. But why not just open up another photobucket account and watch your band limit?

TrueMacedonian 12-24-2009 01:22 PM

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Salonica: City of Ghosts, by Mark Mazower

TrueMacedonian 01-01-2010 02:06 PM

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Bratot 01-04-2010 09:38 PM

I'm not sure if this was the right place for this post:

[url]http://www.cambridge.org/uk/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=0521815304[/url]

The reign of Basil II (976–1025), the longest of any Byzantine emperor, has long been considered as a ‘golden age’, in which his greatest achievement was the annexation of Bulgaria. This, we have been told, was achieved through a long and bloody war of attrition which won Basil the grisly epithet Voulgartoktonos, ‘the Bulgar-slayer’. In this new study Paul Stephenson argues that neither of these beliefs is true.reputation as ‘Bulgar-slayer’ was created only a century and a half later. Instead, Basil fought far more sporadically in the Balkans and his Thereafter the ‘Bulgar-slayer’ was periodically to play a galvanizing role for the Byzantines, returning to centre-stage as Greeks struggled to establish a modern nation state. [B]As Byzantium was embraced as the Greek past by scholars and politicians, the ‘Bulgar-slayer’ became an icon in the struggle for Macedonia [/B](1904– and the Balkan Wars (1912–13).

Soldier of Macedon 01-04-2010 10:26 PM

What a warped ideology these Greek scholars and politicians have.

TrueMacedonian 02-18-2010 01:10 PM

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Bratot 02-18-2010 04:36 PM

Excelent! :)

sf. 02-18-2010 09:03 PM

Hey TM, remember our brief conversation on the Old Church Slavonic language and the languages of the early Slavs? I can't remember exactly, but is this the book you mentioned in that Maknews thread? I think I'm going to grab and read it.

TrueMacedonian 02-18-2010 10:44 PM

No this isn't the book. The book you're thinking about is from a linguist named Dalby. My library has it. Pretty expensive book to get so thank God for libraries lol.

Serdarot 02-19-2010 08:33 AM

i dont know if you can use this, here is anyway :)

[B]Louis Cousin[/B]

"Histoire de Constantinople depuis le régne de l'ancien Justin..." Band 1

published in 1685

page 186 ; Chapter 27 / Chapitre XXVII

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Notice the Macedoniens and Magedoniens, and remember Magdonija / Migdonija in Makedonia / Macedonia.

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TrueMacedonian 07-27-2010 02:57 PM

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TrueMacedonian 09-04-2010 10:14 AM

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This is two sources stating Macedonians were differentiated by ethnicity.

Risto the Great 09-04-2010 05:07 PM

That is interesting TM.
Do we have any more information on the Chronicle of the Morea?

TrueMacedonian 09-04-2010 08:36 PM

RTG this is brief info on the Chronicle of the Morea that I found;

[url]http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/ClassicalStudies/AncientHistory/Greek/?view=usa&ci=9780199557004[/url]

[QUOTE]The Chronicle of Morea, one of the most important and controversial historical narratives written in the late Middle Ages, tells the story of the formation and government by the Villehardouin dynasty of a remarkably successful Crusader State following the conquest by western invaders of the capital - Constantinople - and the provinces of the Byzantine Empire. By examining all the Chronicle's surviving Greek, French, Spanish and Italian versions, this study, the first of its kind, explores in depth the literary and ideological contexts in which the work was composed, transmitted and re-written. The result is a fascinating analysis of cultural exchange in a rich and vibrant eastern Mediterranean world where different ethnicities were obliged to live alongside each other, and outside political interests frequently intruded in dramatic fashion. Translations into English have been provided of all the material discussed.[/QUOTE]

What interests me more is Kantakuzenos and Pachymeres (two Byzantine historians) material differentiating Macedonians as a seperate ethnic group.

TrueMacedonian 09-12-2010 07:38 PM

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lavce pelagonski 09-13-2010 04:02 AM

Has anyone got pictures of Macedonian knights or army from the middle ages thanks.

Makedonetz 09-13-2010 08:47 AM

[QUOTE=lavce pelagonski;70406]Has anyone got pictures of Macedonian knights or army from the middle ages thanks.[/QUOTE]

Found these

Early Phalanx introduced.

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Some Medieval sites in Macedonia i found
[b][i]Megalithic Observatory. Kokino[/b][/i]

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Megalithic Observatory Kokino spreads on both platforms each of them possessing own typical contents. Observatory length is around 90 metres and its width is around 50 metres.
Thrones are the most impressive and can be immediately seen on the site. As we have already mentioned, the thrones are oriented in north-south direction, so the person sitting on the throne is oriented towards the east and east horizon.
This provided the base for the archaeologists’ assumptions that from this place people observed the rise of celestial objects on the horizon.he Megalithic Observatory Kokino is located some thirty kilometers on the northeast of Kumanovo. This site has a diameter of 100 meters; it is scaled on two levels, underneath of the mountain peak Tatikev Kamen, at an altitude of 1013 m. At the moment of its discovery in 2001, it was believed to be a special mountain sanctuary from the Bronze Age.

TrueMacedonian 01-14-2011 11:31 PM

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George S. 01-15-2011 12:30 AM

great find TM more proof of macedonian existence.

TrueMacedonian 02-26-2011 12:38 AM

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bilbil 08-19-2011 07:45 AM

- On either side of its slopes dwell many very wealthy tribes, the Dacians and the Thracians on the northern side, and on the southern, more [B]Thracians and the Macedonians.[/B]

- The other, the left wing, was led by Catacalon Tarchaniotes, and was composed of fully-armed [B]Macedonians and Thracians[/B]

- Another man, a [B]Macedonian[/B], Peter by name, but nicknamed Tornicius, fell among the enemy and slew a number

- Antiochus the [B]Macedonians[/B], (1080)

Ана Комнена, 12-ти век, дело "Alexiad"
[url]http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/AnnaComnena-Alexiad00.html[/url]

makedonche 08-20-2011 12:44 AM

[QUOTE=bilbil;108038]- On either side of its slopes dwell many very wealthy tribes, the Dacians and the Thracians on the northern side, and on the southern, more [B]Thracians and the Macedonians.[/B]

- The other, the left wing, was led by Catacalon Tarchaniotes, and was composed of fully-armed [B]Macedonians and Thracians[/B]

- Another man, a [B]Macedonian[/B], Peter by name, but nicknamed Tornicius, fell among the enemy and slew a number

- Antiochus the [B]Macedonians[/B], (1080)

Ана Комнена, 12-ти век, дело "Alexiad"
[url]http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/AnnaComnena-Alexiad00.html[/url][/QUOTE]

bilbil
:welcome Great first post!

bilbil 08-24-2011 08:45 AM

[QUOTE=makedonche;108086]bilbil
:welcome Great first post![/QUOTE]

Romanus had a conglomerate force of Macedonians, Bulgarians, Cappadocians, Uzes, Franks, and some poor levies from Phrygia.
[url]http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/psellus-chrono07.html[/url] Michael Psellus chronographia



Most of the Macedonians, being a folk who delight in arrogance and insolent bearing more accustomed to the buffoonery of townsmen than the simplicity of the camp,

[url]http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/psellus-chrono06.asp[/url]


:clap:

Nomad 10-09-2012 03:44 PM

Due to my difficulty in english, i'm losing myself here : the "macedonian" dynasty, was "macedonian" because it was etablished in the macedonian theme of the byzantium empire, or because the members of the family were "macedonians" (like alexander the great)? The same for all the "macedonians" cited here. Maybe my question looks stupid but i am lost in this thread ...

TrueMacedonian 11-08-2012 03:41 PM

I'm sure Nomad knows enough "Eeenglis" as the malakas down south say in their slithering lizard like accents to understand this topic and the pages below:

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Risto the Great 11-08-2012 04:48 PM

Apparently "Dobra" means goat herder in some ancient Greek dialect.


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