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Voltron 01-28-2011 11:42 AM

[QUOTE=Onur;87472]You meant the time when German king kicked out by Brits to bring Venizelos in charge?

I was referring to 1820s and 1890s in that post. The time when Arvanites killed their muslim kinsmen besides Turks in Morea and when the christian Greeks massacred muslim Greeks beside Turks in Crete. Thats what i called as "madness". So, read the rest of that post.

But for the objectivity, i can say that the Greek invasion of Anatolia in 1919(mostly Arvanites, again! read this thread) was the primary event which encouraged people to create new Turkey.[/QUOTE]

What about Turkey,s madness? Btw do you see me refer to Turks as Laz, Circassian, Slav, Arnaut, etc.? They are Turks, simple. You should know better.

Onur 01-28-2011 02:11 PM

[QUOTE=Voltron;87474]What about Turkey,s madness? Btw do you see me refer to Turks as Laz, Circassian, Slav, Arnaut, etc.? They are Turks, simple. You should know better.[/QUOTE]

There was no madness between Turks here unlike in Greece. There was some kind of madness between Armenians and the rest of people in Anatolia but thats all. In Greece, Arnauts and Greeks killed their own kinsmen only because of religious difference and thats madness in my book.

The mentality difference between Turkey and Greece is, neither Arnauts, Pomaks, Karakachans nor Circassians in Turkey doesn't say that they are more Turks than others and they don't claim that they are descended from central Asian Turks. They know who they are and why they are here in Turkey.

Even some part of Cretan immigrants says that they are Greeks and spoke Greek only 100 years ago cuz it`s not a taboo here. Can Turkish christians do the same in Greece? Hell no. Turkish christian writer, Karakasidu tried to say that about 400.000 of one million immigrants from population exchange was only speaking Turkish and they were Turks not Greeks and you know what happened next. They thrashed her car, broke her windows, newspapers published all addresses of her properties in Greece and US to encourage people to destroy it. She also got death threats. Am i wrong?

Voltron 01-28-2011 03:28 PM

[QUOTE]There was no madness between Turks here unlike in Greece. There was some kind of madness between Armenians and the rest of people in Anatolia but thats all. In Greece, Arnauts and Greeks killed their own kinsmen only because of religious difference and thats madness in my book.[/QUOTE]

Some kind ? Systematic extermination is "some kind" of madness ? Thats all ? So its ok if you take somebody out but as long as its not one of your own kind. Right ? You probably dont mean it, your just caught up trying to defend your position.

Muslim Greeks are not my kinsmen. We dont honor them. They were weak, they compromised themselves out of pure self interests. They got their sunets and turned their backs on where they came from. They are Turks now, pure and simple.

[QUOTE]The mentality difference between Turkey and Greece is, neither Arnauts, Pomaks, Karakachans nor Circassians in Turkey doesn't say that they are more Turks than others and they don't claim that they are descended from central Asian Turks. They know who they are and why they are here in Turkey.[/QUOTE]

There is no difference in mentality. Stop lying.

[QUOTE]Even some part of Cretan immigrants says that they are Greeks and spoke Greek only 100 years ago cuz it`s not a taboo here. Can Turkish christians do the same in Greece? Hell no. Turkish christian writer, Karakasidu tried to say that about 400.000 of one million immigrants from population exchange was only speaking Turkish and they were Turks not Greeks and you know what happened next. They thrashed her car, broke her windows, newspapers published all addresses of her properties in Greece and US to encourage people to destroy it. She also got death threats. Am i wrong?[/QUOTE]

Turkish Christians ? So why did you send them over to us then Onur ? If they were " Turks ". Your really surprising me Onur.

George S. 01-28-2011 04:01 PM

Voltron yoou forget that the greeks are more resentfull against the albanians.Macedonians have proved they are cable of working with anyone provided they behave themselves in the right way.THe greeks find it hard after the BS that the greeks are ethinically pure,they find it hard to accept it in practice.Who gives a shit, the albanians have a right to express themselves in albanian.Who is greece to tell people how to express themselves unless they are nazis.

Voltron 01-28-2011 04:04 PM

George this ethnically pure accusation is really overblown. Who really says this ? Tell me.

Voltron 01-28-2011 04:20 PM

Sorry for the off topic with Onur, Just to get back on topic I asked below the following.

How many Albanians are employed in ROM's military today ? Are we to suggest there are no Macedonians due to the fact you have Albanian regiments enlisted ?

TrueMacedonian 01-28-2011 05:18 PM

[QUOTE=Voltron;87460]How many Albanians are employed in ROM's military today ? Are we to deduce there are no Macedonians due to the fact you have Albanian regiments enlisted ? I dont get the topic of this thread.

Mark Mazower had a listing of Slav toponyms in Peloponeese Greece. I heard it was pretty good. I dont remember the title of the book. Anybody know ?[/QUOTE]


Maybe you should go back to page 1 and read the first post.

Voltron 01-28-2011 05:47 PM

[QUOTE=TrueMacedonian;87502]Maybe you should go back to page 1 and read the first post.[/QUOTE]

I did, its obvious you dont know the difference between Arvanite and Albanian.
Post me sources where it shows Albanians were the majority in mainland Greece.
Again, how is this not applicable to ROM if not moreso?

Soldier of Macedon 01-28-2011 09:41 PM

Are you kidding me? What is the difference between an Albanian and an Arvanite? They are more akin to each other than the Greeks and Cypriots are. Even in 1814 the Albanians of Greece were calling themselves 'Shqiptar' (or 'Skipetar' as transliterated below):

[url]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1748&highlight=skipetar[/url]

The names 'Albanian' and 'Arvanite' are not native to today's Albanians, the first is Latin and the second is a Greek transliteration. The Turks used the word Arnauts, as did others in the region, including the Albanians themselves.
[QUOTE="Voltron"]Turkish Christians ? So why did you send them over to us then Onur ? If they were " Turks ".[/QUOTE]
Because they were Christians, the exchange was based on religion. It seems apparent that you use the same criteria for Greek ethnicity.

George S. 01-28-2011 10:16 PM

voltron the propaganda coming out of greece is state driven & it's telling people not to compromise on anything that's what the macedonians need as they are too compromising & givin too easily.The truth is that the greeks won't admit to anything even if their life depended on it.It can only happen in greece that is to dictate to people not to speak a language i'm sure the albanians don't care what they are told & they are going to speak albanian.


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