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Bugi 03-10-2012 10:45 PM

[QUOTE=DirtyCodingHabitz;122551]Is this guy for real?[/QUOTE]

Im just saying what should be done for peace in the country,and macedonians should stop listening to their racist leaders and media who play hot and cold who applauded and indirectly called for 2001 to be repeated,but now when these incidents started,now they are calling for peace.

what do you have against the albanians engoying their full rights as macedonian citizens?
they pay their taxes like you do,why shouldnt they have the same rights as the macedonians?

Soldier of Macedon 03-10-2012 11:08 PM

Bugi, what rights did ethnic Albanians in Macedonia not have that were afforded to other minorities in the same country, or in Albania for that matter? And was that worth raising arms against the state and murdering people?

Bugi 03-10-2012 11:16 PM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;122555]Bugi, what rights did ethnic Albanians in Macedonia not have that were afforded to other minorities in the same country, or in Albania for that matter? And was that worth raising arms against the state and murdering people?[/QUOTE]

When someone is pushed to the wall he doesnt have any other choice than to chose the bad but at that moment,the only choice!

Let me remind you that albanians arent just a minority in Macedonia,albanians are on those territories since pre recorded history,and they are more than 30% of the population-not exactly a minority...
serbs in Kosovo are 5% and they have serbian as official language on the entire territory of the country and in all levels of government!

if they didint take arms,the discrimination would have resumed,they only had the right to learn their language in elemantary school...
you know the protests that macedonians staged in 1997?
would you remind me what were they about?:blush:

other minorities got their rights thanks to the albanians...

Niko777 03-10-2012 11:30 PM

[QUOTE=Bugi;122552]

what do you have against the albanians engoying their full rights as macedonian citizens?
they pay their taxes like you do,why shouldnt they have the same rights as the macedonians?[/QUOTE]

Please cut the crap, this is not about rights. Waving Albanian flags on government buildings and lamp posts is not a right. Making "Kosovo Independence day" into a Macedonian state holiday is not a right...

As our good friend Valmir (an Albanian from Macedonia) said in this forum:

[B][SIZE="4"]"Even if we had more rights than the Macedonians, we dont really care about Macedonia, we are working on the Greater Albania Project". [/SIZE][/B]

Niko777 03-10-2012 11:54 PM

[QUOTE]serbs in Kosovo are 5% and they have serbian as official language on the entire territory of the country and in all levels of government!
[/QUOTE]

I don't understand how Serbian rights in Kosovo have to somehow translate into Macedonians compensating Albanians? Reality check: we are not Serbs, and Macedonia is not Serbia.

Secondly, it is only natural that Kosovo's official language is Serbian, as it has always been the heart of Serbian culture and history, not mention that word "Kosovo" itself is Serbian.

Niko777 03-11-2012 12:19 AM

[QUOTE]Let me remind you that albanians arent just a minority in Macedonia,albanians are on those territories since pre recorded history,and they are more than 30% of the population-not exactly a minority...[/QUOTE]

Albanians do not make 30% of the population. Even in Skopje, the Albanian population in 2002 was under 14% that the government had to expand the city's borders into rural territory just so it can increase it to the 20% minimum outlined in the Framework Agreement.

As for Albanians in "pre-recorded history", Albanians were first mentioned in the Middle Ages. In Macedonia, Albanians today occupy territory where they never used to exist. For example they are spreading into Macedonian Christian villages. How do you explain the fact that ALL Albanian villages in Macedonia have pure Macedonian names with no Albanian equivalent or meaning? For example a Muslim-Albanian village near Skopje bears the name "Sveta Petka", which is proof that these people are foreigners, in other words they are not native to the land they occupy, and they must have settled recently in the last century. Further proof is in the statues proposed by the Albanians, or the new proposed street names for Skopje. Albanians are trying to build statues or name streets after people who were not even born in Macedonia. If Albanians have always existed in Macedonia, than who were they? There is not even one historically significant Albanian from Macedonia who was born before 1900. Albanians like to point to Mother Theresa (b. 1910) as proof that Albanians have always existed in Macedonia, yet according to her official biography, her parents were born in neighboring Kosovo and Albania.

Brian 03-11-2012 12:27 AM

[QUOTE=Bugi;122550]Well,Bulgaria gave you 130 tanks,Greece donated to you 2 Bell helicopters,ukrainians piloted the M-24...

[B][COLOR="Navy"]Maybe the neighbours will help out again. Good neighbours help each other, not take up arms in the middle of the night against their neighbours.[/COLOR][/B]

now the albanians are much stronger than 2001...
back then albanians had success only with Kalashnikov's in their hand,and the albanians were present with minor % in the state administration...while in the military there were less than 1% albanians.

[B][COLOR="Navy"]Like wise the governments preceding 2001 were thieving pricks who should have spent more on the country and the military to be better prepared. Different situation now.[/COLOR][/B]

Now the albanians are everywhere about 30%,so if there is war,there would be a total civil war.

[B][COLOR="Navy"]I'm sure they can take a bullet just as good regardless of which ground/office they hold.[/COLOR][/B]

As for the current macedonian army,well it has no tanks,air force-exept few transport helicopters...and macedonians are low in spirit-because of many factors and scared not to end up in the Hague.

[B][COLOR="Navy"]The Macedonians, like other Slavs, have a mental quirk of not being prepared for war quite enough. I think it's because they are a peaceful people by nature. Yet another mental quirk they have is the second time round they will wipe any trace of you - just look at the fantastic gains Napoleon and Hitler had before being totally decimated.

They will have to transport every Macedonian, young and old, to the Hague because it wont just be the government next time so even if an Evangelical Prime Minister pissed his pants next time there will be plenty who wont.[/COLOR][/B]

[B]the best solution is to keep living together and make them feel Macedonia as their own,[/B]11 years after 2001,and still the albanian language isn't official on the entire territory of the country?why?

[B]that is the best way to intergrate the albanian population and you should stop looking at that as albanization![/QUOTE]

[COLOR="Navy"]So turning the whole country into Albanian is the best way to "make them feel Macedonian as their own"???

The Albanians (including the politicians) refused to celebrate Macedonia's independence day. If they are also Macedonians then shouldn't they feel happy and celebrate their independence from Yugoslavia or did the ethnic Albanians get their independence on a different day?

Ethnic pride is one thing so waving the Albanian flag at weddings, celebrations ect is your choice but insisting it is put on a government building or ANY official capacity is wrong. It might be the flag of the country of your ethnicity but it is NOT the flag of YOUR country as a Macedonian citizen and putting ANY other countries flag on a government building or in any official capacity in ANY country is a sign of occupation and insulting. If YOU want to be "Macedonian as their own" then YOU TOO should feel insulted and take action to defend and celebrate YOUR country's flag.

I think the above exist because YOUR country, Greater Albania, has not yet got it's independence day to celebrate.

So if you want to be a Macedonian regardless of your ethnicity then be one and behave like you are a Macedonian citizen or stop BSing.[/COLOR][/B]

Bugi 03-11-2012 12:41 AM

[QUOTE=Niko777;122560]I don't understand how Serbian rights in Kosovo have to somehow translate into Macedonians compensating Albanians? Reality check: we are not Serbs, and Macedonia is not Serbia.

Secondly, it is only natural that Kosovo's official language is Serbian, as it has always been the heart of Serbian culture and history, not mention that word "Kosovo" itself is Serbian.[/QUOTE]

So under what right 5% serbs in Kosovo can have serbian as official language on all levels,and 30% albanians in Macedonia cant have albanian?

Kosovo was never part of Serbia,it was occupied by serbs,they occupied it by force,they held it by force and they had to be kicked out by force.

Kosovo is the serbian name,the real name is Dardania!
if you go by that logic than the name Macedonia is of greek origin,right?
it has no meaning in slavic...
there are many examples of other countries as well...
serbs came in 7 th centure in Kosovo...

Niko777 03-11-2012 12:50 AM

[QUOTE]Kosovo was never part of Serbia,it was occupied by serbs,they occupied it by force,[/QUOTE]

Buddy, if it wasn't for the Serbs, there would be no Kosovo today! Kosovo came from Serbia. [I]Kosovo[/I] is Serbia.

[QUOTE]they had to be kicked out by force.[/QUOTE]

So this is your solution, settling in other people's lands and kicking them out by force?

makgerman 03-11-2012 12:53 AM

[QUOTE]When someone is pushed to the wall he doesnt have any other choice than to chose the bad but at that moment,the only choice![/QUOTE]
Being pushed to the wall! Bugi what world do you live in? The Albanians have been the odd ones for as long as I can remember, as far back as the Yugoslavia years.[LIST][*]Stabbing is common to an Albanian[*]Bullying, threatening, swearing by Albanian is not new[*]Cowardly ganging up on Macedonians like a pack of wolves is an Albanian art[*]Illegal weapons, drug dealing, prostitution profiteering and ruining many Macedonian & Albanian young lives[*]Voting for Alabanian racist former terrorists[*]Being racist and hating anyone that is non-Albanian[/LIST]
I have gone to school with Albanians, have worked with them and have learnt the way they act. Talk to someone who doesn't know you!


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