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TrueMacedonian 06-22-2010 09:20 PM

1916 Grk Magazine article upset that soldiers in grk army speak Albanian
 
[IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/Swire.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/Swire11.jpg[/IMG]

:blink: and this is in 1916,,,,,,:21:

Risto the Great 06-23-2010 02:12 AM

The difference is that they are not Albanians any more .... they are "Arvanites". And the "so-called" Greek national dress .... is still a dress .... and is Albanian.

Daskalot 06-23-2010 04:41 AM

The MAJORITY of the soldiers, then it is safe to assume that the MAJORITY of the people in Greece at the time also spoke Albanian.

Greece at the time had recently gained a lot of new lands, thus the soldiers in the Greek army where from the Peloponnese, the central Greek main land and the islands.


And somehow today we have the glorious descendants of Pericles amongst us....... :ostrich

makedonin 06-23-2010 05:10 AM

As my father says, today we have exclusive Albanian Problem with those in the West and in the South :)

Makedonetz 06-23-2010 09:11 AM

Greece embrace your Shiptari heritage :21:

TrueMacedonian 06-23-2010 05:09 PM

I think that it is safe to say that these people in these pics are all Albanians then;

[IMG]http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/truemacedonian/salonicapic1.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/truemacedonian/salonicapic2.png[/IMG]

and Albanians with the Macedonians here;

[IMG]http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/truemacedonian/Miscellanius%20Mak%20Stuff/hidden442.png[/IMG]

I guess it only takes a lil bit of magic to become a hellene :sorcerer:

Soldier of Macedon 06-28-2010 03:05 AM

Another source about the early history of modern Greeks, and again full of references to Albanians. There is so much already about this topic, that threads such as these are a pleasant way of rubbing further salt into the wounds of Pericles' 'descendants' today - or those that think more of the 'ancient' link than they should.

Daniel the Great 06-28-2010 03:25 AM

They truly have a identity crisis no doubt about it. The modern Greeks hate the Albanians with a passion but they don't realize that they are only hating their own people.
Very sad that they can't accept and embrace there true identity the Albanian identity.

Daniel the Great 06-28-2010 03:29 AM

True Macedonian, where did you get this information from? can you inbox me the link? thanks.

TrueMacedonian 06-28-2010 03:58 PM

Daniel check your inbox. Here's more on what the modern "greeks" were up to;

[IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/Swire.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/Swire56.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/Swire57.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/Swire68.jpg[/IMG]

"illusions of Greek descent" is a very accurate description of the population of Macedonia's southern neighbor. Also look at the Satanic grk church and their evil work,,,,, I saw a grk priest on the street a few days ago. He looked like this :devil:

Soldier of Macedon 06-29-2010 09:18 PM

[QUOTE=TrueMacedonian;60478][IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/Swire11.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Coastal, this isn't 1816, but 1916. Now that almost another century has lapsed, do you think Albanian is still the main tongue of Greek army personnel? Or did that situation end when the Albanians in the Greek army were taught to sing army songs in Greek against their own people?

Makedonetz 06-29-2010 10:27 PM

Coastal are you a chistej Grk?

Are you on the Hell-Ass bandwagon

Soldier of Macedon 06-29-2010 10:28 PM

What's the difference?

Makedonetz 06-29-2010 10:56 PM

SoM its like the holy grail does a greek actually exisit....mere pleasure like toying a cat with a toy mouse.

Soldier of Macedon 06-29-2010 11:02 PM

I do believe Greeks exist, I just don't agree on the numbers and the way they transpired. Most had a new identity conjured for them by outsiders, as opposed to the native identification process for Macedonians, who didn't need someone from England or Bavaria to tell us about our own historical origins.

Coastal 06-30-2010 08:12 AM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;61453]Coastal, this isn't 1816, but 1916. Now that almost another century has lapsed, do you think Albanian is still the main tongue of Greek army personnel? Or did that situation end when the Albanians in the Greek army were taught to sing army songs in Greek against their own people?[/QUOTE]

So it's the book ALBANIA:THE RISE OF A KINGDOM...that quotes Parnassos newspaper ,without of course mentioning the exact day and Leaf of the Paper ,and without putting a photo of the original.
No what is written before ,no what is written after.
So many (...) ... hm...

Ok i am persuaded. What if in 1916 the Borders of Greeks stretch to Nestos River,including south Macedonia ,Thessaly,Crete ...
Who knows maybe the Cretans were speaking Arvanitic too..

Do you have any quotes of the book about Macedonians?
This would be interesting...

TrueMacedonian 06-30-2010 03:52 PM

[QUOTE]So it's the book ALBANIA:THE RISE OF A KINGDOM...that quotes Parnassos newspaper ,without of course mentioning the exact day and Leaf of the Paper ,and without putting a photo of the original.
No what is written before ,no what is written after.
So many (...) ... hm...[/QUOTE]
It seems that when your identity is questioned weasels like you squirm to avoid the most obvious.

[QUOTE]Ok i am persuaded. What if in 1916 the Borders of Greeks stretch to Nestos River,including south Macedonia ,Thessaly,Crete ...
Who knows maybe the Cretans were speaking Arvanitic too..[/QUOTE]
Considering what your country's national dress is I really wouldn't doubt that much from what is written above. Unless Swire happens to be one of those dreaded "Skopians".

[QUOTE]Do you have any quotes of the book about Macedonians?
This would be interesting...[/QUOTE]
But the topic is not about Macedonians. It's about your kind and the Albanianess of your kind. Squirming and worming your way around still doesn't change the fact that in 1916 the majority of your soldiers spoke Albanian. 1916 is less than a hundred years ago. Is this BS with [I]hellenism[/I] really supposed to make a believer out of us? I hope that you're fully brainwashed into believing in it because reading something like the above would cancel my yearly subscription to Parnassos.

Coastal 06-30-2010 06:36 PM

[QUOTE=TrueMacedonian;61718]


But the topic is not about Macedonians. It's about your kind and the Albanianess of your kind. Squirming and worming your way around still doesn't change the fact that in 1916 the majority of your soldiers spoke Albanian. 1916 is less than a hundred years ago. Is this BS with [I]hellenism[/I] really supposed to make a believer out of us? I hope that you're fully brainwashed into believing in it because reading something like the above would cancel my yearly subscription to Parnassos.[/QUOTE]

You are right...this Albania" book is like a Bible.
We must swear on this from now on.

PS-TM are you a kind of obsessed with dna? You know..clear blood and all the stuff..
I guess you were tested,and the results were "100% Macedonian-son of Alexander the Great" You must start lessons of Greek then..your Dad was speaking them fluently ;)

TrueMacedonian 06-30-2010 06:52 PM

[QUOTE=Coastal;61743]You are right...this Albania" book is like a Bible.
We must swear on this from now on.

PS-TM are you a kind of obsessed with dna? You know..clear blood and all the stuff..
I guess you were tested,and the results were "100% Macedonian-son of Alexander the Great" You must start lessons of Greek then..your Dad was speaking them fluently ;)[/QUOTE]

I like good jokes but yours are as corny as your yaya's yellow teeth. Stick with your state-sponsored propaganda even if it only makes you look like the resident down-syndrome kidselling candy at a bake sale. DNA has nothing to do with anything here. Your nationalist myths is why you are here. This topic does not compute very well with you because you are force fed the same German cow manure of being a bunch of descendents for people who would call you all "Barbarians".

Soldier of Macedon 06-30-2010 08:21 PM

[QUOTE="Coastal"]Do you have any quotes of the book about Macedonians?
This would be interesting...[/QUOTE]
The excerpts from the book are about Albanians in the Greek army, why are you trying to detract from this by looking for Macedonians? Do you have a problem with addressing issues concerning your own people that you need to deflect attention away to something else? Face the facts, there is a plethora of evidence that clearly indicates the largely Albanian origins of modern Greeks, at least the original one's that were there during independence. For the rest, and how Athens boomed to 1000% increase of their population, check the first constitution of the Greek state, which indicates that any Christian from anywhere in the world that settles in the new state is automatically a 'Greek'.

Makedonetz 06-30-2010 10:56 PM

This Hell-Ass is funny can we keep him around abit more before we ban his @ss

julie 06-30-2010 11:27 PM

Coastal is having some identity issues embracing his Albanian heritage. Hence the nasties and detracting away from written evidence.

Its ok, we understand. Must be really hard to see how there is no such thing as "Greek" hence your obsession with Macedonia. We dont mind if you want to be one of us

Makedonetz 06-30-2010 11:32 PM

whats his name in greek coastal?

Columbiadis? AHAHA

TrueMacedonian 10-18-2010 08:25 PM

Last bump of the day (I promise)

Bill77 10-18-2010 09:06 PM

[B]Regarding grk speaking Albanian, these next quotes might have already been seen. But they are classics and some of my collection.
[/B]

"The Usable Past" - 2003
By K.S Brown & Professor Yannis Hamilakis

Page 140:

"..As a result of a number of historical factors, much of the rural population in central Greece was Albanian-speaking by the time of the creation of modern Greek state in the 1830s"


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VENIZELOS (Famous Greek Statesman - Prime Minister: 1910-1920, 1932)
By Herbert Adams Gibbons, Ph.D

HOUGHTON MIFFLIN COMPANY - 1920

[At The Peace Conferance]

Page 346:

"...Venizelos advanced the famous theory of national consciousness as the test of nationality..."One may be temped", he said, "to raise the objection that a substantial portion of the Greek population uses ALBANIAN as its mother tongue, and is, consequently, in all probability, of Albanian orgin"


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POLITICS IN MODERN GREECE
By Keith R. Legg

Page 86:

LANGUAGE

"..At the time of independence, the range in local dialects was significant; substantial portions of the population spoke Albanian"


----------------------

"EURYDICE STREET - A Place In Athens"

By Dr Sofka Zinovieff, PhD
Published: 2004

Page: 38


"..This preoccupation with Greekness only really began after the War of Independence (1830), when defining what it meant to be Greek became a vital element in creating a new state - Their first capital was the smart little Peloponnesian port Nafplio. It was thought to be far more suitable than the goat-infested ruins and the insignificant, predominantly Turkish-Albanian settlement which existed in 1900-century Athens"



[B]And My Favourite.[/B]
I wish there was video footage of this lol

OHPAHHHHHHH

[Quote]
the liberators of Greece…..Nine or ten of them performed the Albanian national dance, to the sound of a bad fiddle and a little jingling guitar played with a quill, for the amusement of her Majesty, who did not seem enchanted with this exhibition….these men, who were exposing themselves in this absurd manner, were the far-famed Colocotroni, Nikitas, surnamed the Turkophagos, or Turk-eater, Makryani, Vasso of Montenegro, Kota Botzaris,, and others equally celebrated…….this was merely the dance of the Albanians, a totally distinct race of men from the Greeks. (Blackwood’s Magazine, XLIII) [/QUOTE]

TrueMacedonian 10-18-2010 09:13 PM

[QUOTE=TrueMacedonian;60478][IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/Swire.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/Swire11.jpg[/IMG]

:blink: and this is in 1916,,,,,,:21:[/QUOTE]

I want to prove a point with this topic because it is important to understand what language was being spoken in the Modern Greco army,,,,and navy, so here's some more info to add to elaborate why this Parnassos article was bitching about Albanian being spoken widely throughout the Modern Greco army; (these are old posts but relevent to the topic)

[IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/GreeceandtheHellenes.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/GreeceandtheHellenes31.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/GreeceandtheHellenes33.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/GreeceandtheHellenes34.jpg[/IMG]

This book was published in 1914. Now this is what Venizelos said. This book was published in 1920!

[img]http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/truemacedonian/Venizelos/Venizelos.jpg[/img]
[IMG]http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Albanians%20in%20Greece/Venizelos346-1.jpg[/IMG]

I mean how much more can we honestly say here? Considering the facts I would have to wager that Romaika was nothing more than a foreign language for more than half the population of Modern 'greece' in the early 20th century. Where is this hellenism? Where are the hellenes?

The ufologists in A'm'AC have alot to explain here.
:alien:

The LION will ROAR 10-18-2010 11:00 PM

"THE ALBANIANS - An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present"
ISBN-13: 9780899509327

By Dr Edwin E. Jacques - 1994

Page: 328

"...During the naval battle of the Dardanelles in 1912 he (Greek Admiral Kunduriot) shouted a command to the crew of his battleship in the Albanian language. When asked afterwards why he had used this unaccustomed idiom, the admiral replied, "From enthusiasm!" His reponse corresponds very closely to the reason given by Alexander the Great for frequently speaking to his Macedonian troops in their non-Hellenic language"

"...On another occasion Admiral Kunduriot learned that his ship's officers had forbidden the seamen to speak Albanian among themselves. The admiral summoned the seamen on deck and asked them, "A kuvëndoni Shqip, more?" (O you, do you talk together in Albanian?). The sailors looked at one another, hardly knowing what to reply. One of them took courage, and answered, "- We do talk together just a little, Admiral."

Kunduriot replied, "Go ahead and talk together in Albanian, for we are the ones who liberated Greece!" (Dituria January 1927, 86).

Soldier of Macedon 01-16-2011 12:21 AM

[QUOTE=TrueMacedonian;60584]I think that it is safe to say that these people in these pics are all Albanians then;

[IMG]http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/truemacedonian/salonicapic1.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/truemacedonian/salonicapic2.png[/IMG]

and Albanians with the Macedonians here;

[IMG]http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/truemacedonian/Miscellanius%20Mak%20Stuff/hidden442.png[/IMG]

I guess it only takes a lil bit of magic to become a hellene :sorcerer:[/QUOTE]
TM, from which book are these photos?

Epirot 01-16-2011 10:01 AM

Klephtes, those legendary warriors, children of ancient Hellenes* were nothing else but ALBANIANS. I am not saying that but its KOUMAS who stresses out that:

[IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/2z5k4r8.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/2vsoqd1.jpg[/IMG]
"A Romaic grammar: accompanied by a chrestomathy, with a vocabulary"---Evangelinus Apostolides Sophocles

Now it become crystal clear why no one of them heard of Achilles:

[QUOTE]

The eighteenth-century Greek scholar Koumas tells of a visit he made to one of the most influential klephts, Nikotsaras. In order to show respect Koumas addressed the klephtic leader as Achilles. [COLOR="Blue"][B]Nikotsaras retorted angrily: ‘What rubbish are you talking about? Who is this Achilles? Handy with a musket, was he?”[/B][/COLOR]


The Balkans: Nationalism, War & the Great Powers, 1804-1999′ Misha Glenny, 2000, p. 31
[/QUOTE]

The descendants of those fierce Klephtes are progressing greatly. Now they pass their ignorance and claim themselves as lineal descendants of Achilles :)

*Did I forgot to mention any other epithet given to them by European fatheads?

Onur 01-16-2011 07:28 PM

[QUOTE=Epirot;86297]Klephtes, those legendary warriors, children of ancient Hellenes* were nothing else but ALBANIANS. I am not saying that but its KOUMAS who stresses out that:
[/QUOTE]

Creation of Greece is actually a result of madness.

Christian Albanians in Morea killed muslim Albanians and Turks in 1820s and then they denied their Albanian heritage and became newborn Hellenes. Also christian Greeks killed muslim Greeks in Crete laters. This was a result of western European intervention.

Same thing happened in Ireland. You know, Anglican/Protestant Irish people at north and Catholics in south killed each other because of British intervention. As far as i read, very few people can speak Irish language at north(Anglicans) and most of them consider themselves as British while people at south can speak Irish language as their mothertongue and considers themselves as Irish.

Soldier of Macedon 01-16-2011 07:44 PM

Ireland is an interesting case. Much of the north, like the south, has a Celtic heritage, even after Protestants were settled there from England and Scotland. At the end of the day, Ireland is ONE island, and the fact that it is divided because of a minority (that doesn't come close in comparison to the majority in numbers) is a disgraceful stain on the UK.

TrueMacedonian 01-18-2011 05:38 PM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;86233]TM, from which book are these photos?[/QUOTE]

The first two pictures are from Mark Mazower's "Salonica, City of Ghosts' and the last picture is from Alexander Hidden's "The Ottoman Dynasty".

Soldier of Macedon 01-18-2011 06:11 PM

Does it give a year for the photos?

George S. 01-18-2011 09:01 PM

The grks can't even decide who they are it's a midlife identity crisis.

TrueMacedonian 01-18-2011 11:36 PM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;86566]Does it give a year for the photos?[/QUOTE]

No it doesn't SoM.

Soldier of Macedon 01-19-2011 12:42 AM

No probs, thanks mate.

George S. 01-19-2011 12:28 PM

well the grks should accept the fact that they ain't so pure & have to get used to their albanian roots.

Voltron 01-28-2011 07:39 AM

How many Albanians are employed in ROM's military today ? Are we to deduce there are no Macedonians due to the fact you have Albanian regiments enlisted ? I dont get the topic of this thread.

Mark Mazower had a listing of Slav toponyms in Peloponeese Greece. I heard it was pretty good. I dont remember the title of the book. Anybody know ?

Voltron 01-28-2011 07:45 AM

[QUOTE=Onur;86325]Creation of Greece is actually a result of madness.
[/QUOTE]


Creation of Greece is a result of Turkey's creation as well. Both happened at the same time. Show a little objectivity Onur.

Onur 01-28-2011 10:36 AM

[QUOTE=Voltron;87461]Creation of Greece is a result of Turkey's creation as well. Both happened at the same time. Show a little objectivity Onur.[/QUOTE]

You meant the time when German king kicked out by Brits to bring Venizelos in charge?

I was referring to 1820s and 1890s in that post. The time when Arvanites killed their muslim kinsmen besides Turks in Morea and when the christian Greeks massacred muslim Greeks beside Turks in Crete. Thats what i called as "madness". So, read the rest of that post.

But for the objectivity, i can say that the Greek invasion of Anatolia in 1919(mostly Arvanites, again! read this thread) was the primary event which encouraged people to create new Turkey.


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