Boge,

How are the Ganstas in the Gong?

[quote=julie;82938]How does one encourage (rather quickly) a shift in individuals consciousness , as a collective?[/quote]

Personally I don't believe there is a 'quick fix'. It will be extremly difficult and take a very long time. Historical experience shows that it can take centuries in some cases (though there are examples of much quicker 'awakenings', but the same conditions do not exist in Macedonia). Goce Delcev (an unsuccessful 'name-caller' according to some) made it his life's work to awaken Macedonians from their slave mentality.

The important thing to realise is that we need FREE thinking individuals, not a collective mass of sheep - we already have that.

Vangeloski that’s ok for retracting your statement we cant all be at the same level of intelligence.

But did you notice how many post you and others went around in circles…on the one hand What’s this Great Plan its all bogus…on the other hand Give us your detailed step by step how to and not just general we need this.

Seriously keep going guys…its interesting to watch the battle of wills…Ill stand on the sideline and see who wins.

[quote=OziMak;83007]Vangeloski that’s ok for retracting your statement we cant all be at the same level of intelligence.

But did you notice how many post you and others went around in circles…on the one hand What’s this Great Plan its all bogus…on the other hand Give us your detailed step by step how to and not just general we need this.

Seriously keep going guys…its interesting to watch the battle of wills…Ill stand on the sideline and see who wins.[/quote]

Understanding basic concepts about the world we live in isn't about "levels of intelligence" or "winning or losing".

How about you lighten the mood with one of your irrelevant and long-winded analogies?

[QUOTE=Bratot;82892]Soldier,

it started from a objection due to degradation of Macedonians living in RoM, which happen to be so difficult to avoid when trying supposedly to educate our compatriots.

But now, it looks like some kind of a crusade against the "heretics".
I guess they want me to be crucified for giving such sinful objection.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's a crusade against the 'heretics'. I am sure you can agree that Macedonians are tired of the lack of transparency from all elements claiming to work on their behalf, that is why this 'secret' plan of yours isn't being received well. Unfortunately, such an ambiguous approach also resembles that of vassal groups such as the UMD. In my opinion, Macedonians need to know what initiatives are being prepared if their support is to be counted on.

As for the degradations of Macedonians living in RoM, can you refer me to the statement you objected to?

Boge, Im not sure where all these Kleveti towards Rogi are coming from, i dont know if its some kind of a wind up but theres no need for any of it.

To me there are two ways to stop the spreading of Albanization in Macedonia, they come without the use of force too.

Prolet, type in the strategies at [url]www.secretmacedoniantruth.org[/url]

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;83062]I don't think it's a crusade against the 'heretics'. I am sure you can agree that Macedonians are tired of the lack of transparency from all elements claiming to work on their behalf, that is why this 'secret' plan of yours isn't being received well. Unfortunately, such an ambiguous approach also resembles that of vassal groups such as the UMD. In my opinion, Macedonians need to know what initiatives are being prepared if their support is to be counted on.

As for the degradations of Macedonians living in RoM, can you refer me to the statement you objected to?[/QUOTE]

You are probably right that putting something which is not available to wider insight isn't the best thing to do.

However, I remain on the position from before. There is no condition for mass awarness of some plan or actions, there will be always groups or individuals to disagree with everything and I'm not aiming to satisfy everyone.

I have had also a bitter experience making initiatives online, in younger years, so I don't want to repeat the same mistake.

As what concerns for the statement I objected to it's not an isolated case nor recent, it has been subject of disagreement for some longer time already between more members and I'm convinced you are aware of it.
But having said that I do notice that you avoid adressing equally to both sides of the argument and this became a practice somehow.

[QUOTE=Prolet;83067]Boge, Im not sure where all these Kleveti towards Rogi are coming from, i dont know if its some kind of a wind up but there's no need for any of it. [/QUOTE]
Rogi is a fine young Macedonian patriot and that is what the Macedonian national movement needs more of in order to continue and develop the struggle into the future. As for the Boogie man from Port Kembla, I think it is the booze talking and don't pay any attention to him.

[QUOTE]To me there are two ways to stop the spreading of Albanization in Macedonia, they come without the use of force too.[/QUOTE]
We all eyes and ears to hear about your solution to the Ghegisation problem in Macedonia. What is your (the) master plan, Mr P.?

[QUOTE=Prolet;83067] To me there are two ways to stop the spreading of Albanization in Macedonia, they come without the use of force too.[/QUOTE]Please don't tell us one of the two ways is diplomacy.
We know that one side sucks at it, and the other don't want a bar of it.

But i am also all ears Prolet.