Since when can terrorist leaders or terrorists can have rememberances & places of honor & renaming of of places & signing of framework agreements of more giving in to terrorists & amnesty to them.Only in macedonia where there are govts in coalition with albanian parties.
This pandering has got to stop as it's only encouraging them more & more.For more supposedly rights when they all mean secession rights.

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;133496]You just stated it should not be the homeland for Macedonians. You didn't imply it at all. Civil equality does not exist in Macedonia. The ethnic Albanians are superior.

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You're dead wrong! I don't get why you equate civil equality with the eradication of Macedonians. Civil equality as a constitutional concept affirm the rights of all ethnic groups. I don't think that such a concept leaves room for someone to claim superiority towards others. If the Albanians were superior, as you make them out, then they would directly govern Macedonia or its highest instances. President, prime-minister and its cabinet is chiefly Macedonia, the head of army along with the highest ranks are Macedonian as well. The same goes also for police force and secret services. It remains to you to tell us how come that Albanians are superior in Macedonia?

[QUOTE=George S.;133500]How about albanians that dont respect us or want to abide by macedonian soveregnity rules.They don't beleive in a rule by law.
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I am fully convinced that you have not a clue about what's happening within Macedonia. You have just a vague perception of reality because things are quite different. How on earth come that Albanians don't respect Macedonia's sovereignty, while they do participate in its institutions, pays taxes, possess its passports, etc. Had the Albanians been against Macedonia's sovereignty, they would not participate in its institutions or they would create their own institutions. But this is not the case.

[QUOTE]The albanians only identify as albanians not as macedonian citizens.There is a BIG difference[/QUOTE]

And what else do you expect? Hungarians in Romania identify themselves as Hungarians and Romanians in Hungary as Romanians. Neither Rumany try to force them to declare as Romanians. Hungarians in their passports are labeled as 'Romanians' in terms of statehood. The same goes for the Albanians. In passports they are labeled as 'Macedonians' because they are citizens of Macedonia. Are you asking from them to identify themselves as Macedonians?

[QUOTE=George S.;133527]I have allways said the albanians have no right taking away macedonian sovereignity.They are not indiginous to the land.Macedonia is not their homeland.Do people know how they migrated to macedonia after www2.Thanks to their own people.[/QUOTE]

You sound so weird! If we are to believe your absurdity, then there was no Albanian in Macedonia prior to WW2. You are trying to show that Albanians swamped in Macedonia by expelling all the Macedonians. It's really miserable how some people like you still put forth such absurdities.

George, how come that all maps of XIXth century points that Albanians were existent in Macedonia in considerable numbers? How come that Macedonian has loaned certain words from Albanian? The same can be said also for the culture, traditions and dress. The cultural commonalities infer that Albanians were there along Macedonians and others. They had been in considerable numbers, which is why they could influence Macedonian. If the Albanians had been in insignificant numbers, it would be no similarity, no borrowings, etc.

[QUOTE=Epirot;133535]You're dead wrong! I don't get why you equate civil equality with the eradication of Macedonians. Civil equality as a constitutional concept affirm the rights of all ethnic groups. I don't think that such a concept leaves room for someone to claim superiority towards others. If the Albanians were superior, as you make them out, then they would directly govern Macedonia or its highest instances. President, prime-minister and its cabinet is chiefly Macedonia, the head of army along with the highest ranks are Macedonian as well. The same goes also for police force and secret services. It remains to you to tell us how come that Albanians are superior in Macedonia?[/QUOTE]

Why should a minority have the right to veto political decisions of national interest? If that does not place the ethnic Albanians in a position of superiority then explain what it is.

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You have to accept the fact that the Aegean Macedonians did not fight with the Nazis nor did they use the Nazi ideology as your fellow Albanians did. Your claim is not only false but is also insulting.

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That's utter hogwash. You got no clue what is Nazi ideology. Albanians were never followers of such ideology. Had they been pro-Nazi's, why Albania was ranked among anti-fascist countries? Germans could recruit only a small part of Albanians. Their generals points out the fact that pro-German organizations were deserted constantly by the Albanians.

Here is what Serbian chetnik paramilitaries (with the support of Germans) aimed:

[QUOTE]The struggle for the liberty of our whole nation under the scepter of His Majesty King Peter II;

the creation of a Great Yugoslavia and within it of a Great Serbia which is to be ethnically pure and is to include Serbia [meaning also Vardar Macedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Srijem, the Banat, and Bačka];

the struggle for the inclusion into Yugoslavia of all still unliberated Slovene territories under the Italians and Germans (Trieste, Gorizia, Istria, and Carinthia) as well as Bulgaria, and northern Albania with Scutari;

the cleansing of the state territory of all national minorities and a-national elements [i.e. the Partisans and their supporters];

the creation of contiguous frontiers between Serbia and Montenegro, as well as between Serbia and Slovenia by cleansing the Muslim population from Sandžak and the Muslim and Croat populations from Bosnia and Herzegovina.[/QUOTE]

Just find a single document that would indicate that Albanians had such goals? Most of Albanian nationalists (I am referring to non-Partizans) were engaged in struggles against chetnik incursions.

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;133539]Why should a minority have the right to veto political decisions of national interest? If that does not place the ethnic Albanians in a position of superiority then explain what it is.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, what political decisions of national interest are blocked because of the Albanian veto? Did the Albanians vote against constitutional name of Republic? Did the Albanians support Greek solutions about that name? Did the Albanians prevent Macedonia from entering in EU?

Risto, it's becoming meaningless to blame Albanians for everything negative in Macedonia! Such a mentality is going to get absolutely nowhere. Most of problems concerning Macedonia have nothing to do with ethnicity. Its problems consist on the fact that a bunch of politicians (no matter what's their ethnicity) are the wealthiest persons in country, while most of people have low standards of living. This hurts both Macedonians and Albanians living in Macedonia. VMRO-DPMNE has employed only its servants, BDI has employed its servants too. So the political parties that are in coalition do absolutely nothing for people. This is what you should be worried about.

Epirot you should have been banned on this forum a long time ago for your iinsulting & deragotary remarks.The sad fact is the albanians do not respect us macedonians.You don't by coming on this forum you are constantly insulting us.Your people were thrown out after the 2nd world war 2 by enver roger.If you don't know yor history then check it out.You are dead wrong you kind is asking for more & more priveleges above what a normal citizen gets.
In other words you are asking for a country within a country.You want rights of secession.
Also you have not been behaving like real ctizen killing macedonian citizens.Insulting macedonians by building memorials of terrorists,& change of name toponyms supposedly mean't to reconcile us.what a joke.

Epirot in your answer to rtg you state the ethnic Albanians are superior.What your minister as a terrorist in 2001 & on the black list is far more superior in calling to shoot civilian macedonians & also to commit attrocities on military personnel.Spare me your crap why should macedonia bend down to vermin & morons like you.Since when you are managing our country so well that you could say you are special breed for the job.In all the institutions albanians are so uncooperative & insult macedonian citizens all the time.Why because they still resent the fact they have to cooperate in some way.But they refuse to cooperate all the time.Not limited to the albanian citizenry but to their political officials.

Hmm, what political decisions of national interest are blocked because of the Albanian veto? Did the Albanians vote against constitutional name of Republic? Did the Albanians support Greek solutions about that name? Did the Albanians prevent Macedonia from entering in EU?

It's a fact the albanians have stated if there is no decision to the name change they are going to start problems for macedonia.The albanians want the name of the country to change.They have given an ultimatum & its' not supporting the govt it's unless you do as your told we will not wait we will act in our best interest not your's.The albanians want integration with europe.THe albanians ultimately want secession rights & veentual linkup with kosovo for a greater albania.