Macedonia will face a massive territory grab from Albania, because, as with Serbia, there will be a world call "Oh no, Albanians are being discriminated, they have so much population etc." The government should do whatever it can to reduce poverty in ROM as it is a problem. If the Macedonians live fine and the diasporans find ways to come back and live there, there won't be any problem. As for the Albanians, if Macedonia isn't in the EU by then, it could expel some part of them, but if they are in NATO or the EU - never. NATO does not need a small country as Macedonia, NATO is US - controlled , mainly, and one of the USA's bestest friends is Turkey, being a friend with Albania as they are the only Muslim nations in Europe and have very warm opinions to each other... In short, I don't think Turkey is a friend of Macedonia, but think of it this way : Macedonia is a landlocked country and all countries surrounding it have a nice army and can conquer it easily.... not to mention they hate ROM... But if Turkey protects Macedonia, it protects the Balkan powers from becoming too strong, and if they become too strong, there will never be a state like the Ottoman Empire... but if a not so strong Macedonia stays and the others fight for it, between themselves, it will be easier...

@ imagination

i agree 100% percent
macedonia has no friends
and turkey is only interested to control macedonia.
our grandfathers fought against them, so how one can think
they love us today!?
be sure, they will help the albanians, but not us!

Thanks for the support ! Are you from the diaspora or from ROM ? Never mind I'll ask in a private message.

[QUOTE=Imagination;90125]Thanks for the support ! Are you from the diaspora or from ROM ? Never mind I'll ask in a private message.[/QUOTE]Imagination,
Where are you from and what nationality are you?

[QUOTE=Bill77;90126]Imagination,
Where are you from and what nationality are you?[/QUOTE]Why i ask, is because you might have some sort of an agenda against certain Nationalities.

Regarding Macedonia being hated, well name me one Balkan Country that is not hated by all its neighbors. Welcome to the Balkans. But i bet the hate towards Greece (by its neighbors) is ten fold compared to Macedonia.

Greece's problem is they are the aggressors, towards all its neighbors
Macedonia's problem is, they have history and culture that is envied by all its neighbors.

one can't be helped while the former can.

I might have what ? Against nationalities ? I don't understand.
Greece is not hated and is not surrounded by enemies, it's only enemy is ROM and Turkey, it is in the EU, believe it or not a respected member, with a huge access to sea, it is friends with Italy, France etc. Russia supports it, Britain supports it, why ask for more ? No one supports Macedonia except Turkey, which is the support a lion gives to a sheep, attacked by a wolf. Its not always colourful to know the truth, it's easy to talk about history and which Greek said bad things about Macedonia and whatever there is.... why does no one mention the real problems, I repeat, poverty of the Macedonians in ROM, the massive unemployment, the groups of Macedonians leaving ROM and looking for better oportunities in the world ? Who in the right mind let the Albanians learn Albanian language and history in schools ? Are they in Albania or what ?
Those are the real problems and not the problems on the forums in which the people swear on Greeks, the history, and whoever told what.

weeewwwww stay of the crack dude.

[QUOTE=Imagination;90133]I might have what ? Against nationalities ? [B]I don't understand[/B].[/QUOTE] I don't blame you, you are born with Hatred and racism. Its normal for you guys (Thats if you are Greek)

[QUOTE=Imagination;90133] Greece is not hated and is not surrounded by enemies, it's only enemy is ROM and Turkey,[/QUOTE] And Bulgaria and Albania. And don't tell me being in bed theses days with Bulgaria is because of true love.


[QUOTE=Imagination;90133] it is in the EU, believe it or not a respected member, [/QUOTE] hahahaha have you been reading the news lately? i would not use the word respected. Especialy if you ask the Germans lol

[QUOTE=Imagination;90133] with a huge access to sea, [/QUOTE] and just as big dept, corruption and bullshit.

[QUOTE=Imagination;90133] France etc. Russia supports it, Britain supports it, why ask for more ? [/QUOTE] They are not neighbors. But since you mention them, let me tell you they are only there to bend you over. Its not love mate. :wink:

[QUOTE=Imagination;90133] I repeat, poverty of the Macedonians in ROM, the massive unemployment, the groups of Macedonians leaving ROM and looking for better oportunities in the world ? [/QUOTE] At least they are not heading to Turkey in droves like the Greeks are. Didn't you hear about the Greeks leaving their poverty stricken land heading back to their ancestral land? At least they will be familiar with the culture and customs there.

[QUOTE=Imagination;90133] Who in the right mind let the Albanians learn Albanian language and history in schools ? Are they in Albania or what ?
.[/QUOTE]I Can't argue with this. you got me here. :31:

There are different types of poverty. One is when a person CAN afford to eat, to live somewhere not so good , but still fine, in which he might afford a car, and this is funded by the government, for example,for being an unemployed person. But then again, there's a big difference. Spain has 20-25% unemployment, if they were in Macedonia's economic condition they would've been dead by now.Greece is around the money level of Spain. It doesn't matter about their debts, their people live fine, with few exceptions. If they managed to get a new debt that means they're smart. To tell you the truth, they have always had debts but they never repayed them, look at the Byzantine debts owed to Venice. And I'm not Greek and that's not important. Who cares if Germans hate them when Germany has NO future, it is losing it's natural resources slowly, and even after that they still visit Greece in thousands... There's no way to compare the poverty in Macedonia to that in Greece, an unemployed person in Greece (especially if he has a home, if not it might be hard) can afford all those things, while a Macedonian will rush forward in high numbers to foreign countries. And the Albanians continue to be a problem... Who's gonna make the diasporans come back with the economic problems of Macedonia ? Who's gonna make them come when they have wonderful lives in Australia or who knows where and they simply just want to support Macedonia, but not come back ? I haven't seen even 2 people from ROM on this forum while those from the diaspora are a lot... Talk about the economic, demographic and other crisises in Macedonia, and THEN talk about making Greece pay, or talk about history and etc.
And by the way, how come you have so many posts ?

[QUOTE=Imagination;90136] There are different types of poverty. One is when a person CAN afford to eat, [/QUOTE] And Greeks can thank the Macedonians for that. A) Because they are kind enough to let them over the border B) Macedonia has plenty of feed to go around.

[QUOTE=Imagination;90136] It doesn't matter about their debts, their people live fine, [/QUOTE] sure they do. Thats why there was mass protests in the streets of Greece recently. Thats why they wish to become Turkish citizens by the droves.


[QUOTE=Imagination;90136] If they managed to get a new debt that means they're smart. To tell you the truth, they have always had debts but they never repayed them, [/QUOTE] No it doesn't. It means they are good for nothing lazy criminals. And they are only starting to suffer the consequences which will just get worse.

By the way, which Island do you recommend i bye when it comes up on Auction? and does your government accept Paypal? I don't trust paying your gov by credit card. I hear they are worse than the Nigerians.

[QUOTE=Imagination;90136] Who cares if Germans hate them when Germany has NO future, it is losing it's natural resources slowly, and even after that they still visit Greece in thousands... [/QUOTE] Germany has no future And Greece has a future? and what natural resources does Greece depend on? Rocks......?



[QUOTE=Imagination;90136] There's no way to compare the poverty in Macedonia to that in Greece, an unemployed person in Greece (especially if he has a home, if not it might be hard) can afford all those things,[/QUOTE] Again, thanks to the Macedonians. We close the border and many Greeks starve or need to trade there merc for a donkey (for those few that have not already done it)

[QUOTE=Imagination;90136] while a Macedonian will rush forward in high numbers to foreign countries. [/QUOTE] You keep dribbling the same shit. Show us evidence of these high numbers rushing to foreign countries? and i am talking about the Macedonians not Albanians, they can leave and not come back for all we care.

[url]http://www.ruralpovertyportal.org/web/guest/country/home/tags/macedonia[/url]
[url]http://news.reportlinker.com/n03923069/Macedonian-finance-minister-says-higher-poverty-rate-expected-.html[/url]
Look at what your own minister says : 31% poverty !!! And Turkey has miserable standarts compared to Greece, read the statistics. Why should Greeks want Turkish citizenships ? Either they are Muslims or want to start a business there duh.... And to repeat, I'm not from Greece and stop asking that. You never said where you are from anyway. And just to tell you some interesting facts : a Greek fire police officer gets a pension around 45 or a bit more and 40 000 euro in a single day ! Will they give their state officials permanent jobs and contracts for life if they were so poor ? You shouldn't be so deceived. If Greeks go poor and lower their huge life standart, then I guess the rest of the Balkans will be like Africa...