Found this on an Albanian forum .. some interesting data on births in western Macedonia between Albanians and Macedonians.. these numbers obviously change due to migration both in and out of the county as years pass..

Don't know how correct they are .. but I belive its a good basis for discussion..(the forum has been a little slow of late)

Sorry I know its in Albanian..

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[QUOTE=Albo;170368]Found this on an Albanian forum .. some interesting data on births in western Macedonia between Albanians and Macedonians.. these numbers obviously change due to migration both in and out of the county as years pass..

Don't know how correct they are .. but I belive its a good basis for discussion..(the forum has been a little slow of late)

Sorry I know its in Albanian..

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Macedonia publishes very good statistics on births related to ethnic affiliation every year in their online "Macedonia in Figures" publications.

[url]http://www.stat.gov.mk/Publikacii/MakBrojki2017_en.pdf[/url]


You can download this and look on page 14 and you will find this chart for live births in 2016.


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Im going to make this easy for you. See the number I circled in red? Those are Albanian births where both mother and father are Albanian.

There were [B]11561 [/B]Macedonian and [B]7108 [/B]Albanian births in the country for 2016.


From your Fake News chart if you add up the 2016 births that's [B]10286 [/B]Macedonian births and [B]9980 [/B]Albanian births

Why would anyone believe your fake news over official Macedonian Statistics?

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Macedonia publishes very good statistics on births related to ethnic affiliation every year in their online "Macedonia in Figures" publications.

[url]http://www.stat.gov.mk/Publikacii/MakBrojki2017_en.pdf[/url]


You can download this and look on page 14 and you will find this chart for live births in 2016.


[IMG]http://i64.tinypic.com/mlqt09.png[/IMG]



Im going to make this easy for you. See the number I circled in red? Those are Albanian births where both mother and father are Albanian.

There were [B]11561 [/B]Macedonian and [B]7108 [/B]Albanian births in the country for 2016.


From your Fake News chart if you add up the 2016 births that's [B]10286 [/B]Macedonian births and [B]9980 [/B]Albanian births

Why would anyone believe your fake news over official Macedonian Statistics?[/QUOTE]

Our "official" Macedonian statistics also claim Albanians make up 25% of the population too.

I belive your mistaken... your adding the total number of births in the Skopje region twice.. plus the chart I posted only shows western Macedonian municipalities... not the total population

[QUOTE=Albo;170386]I belive your mistaken... your adding the total number of births in the Skopje region twice.. plus the chart I posted only shows western Macedonian municipalities... not the total population[/QUOTE]

Why did you take the table down? LoL

Im going to break your heart again.

Albanians have made up 30% of births in Macedonia for the past 20-30 years. The absolute maximum capacity they can reach in the republic is 30% of the country. That's it, they can never reach even one percent higher. The issue with them is that their emigration numbers are too high. They will never be able to "out breed" Macedonians and become a majority.

Approximately 3-4000 Albanians emigrate from Macedonia a year. How do we know this? We know this from the decrease of Albanian students in primary and lower secondary school numbers. Dont believe me? Here are the stats. The Albanian student population over the past 10 years has collapsed by almost 25% at a rate much faster than the Macedonian student population. We know Albanians have more kids than Macedonians do on averaGe, so why the decline? EMIGRATION = BYE BYE ILIRIA

Macedonian primary school students
2006/2007: 122,016 = 53,4% share of the total
2007/2008: 118,507 = 53,6%
2008/2009: 115,605 = 53,7%
2009/2010: 112,293 = 53,7%
2010/2011: 109,765 = 54,3%
2011/2012: 107,564 = 54,3%
2012/2013: 105,648 = 54.35%
2013/2014: 104,254 = 54.7%
2014/2015: 103,036 = 54,7%
2015/2016: 102,644 = 55.4%

[COLOR="Blue"]15.8% DECREASE in 10 years
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Albanian primary school students
2006/2007: 78,467 = 34,3% share of the total
2007/2008: 75,141 = 34,0%
2008/2009: 72,570 = 33,7%
2009/2010: 69,922 = 33,4%
2010/2011: 66,156 = 32,7%
2011/2012: 65,085 = 32,8%
2012/2013: 63,483 = 32,71%
2013/2014: 62,118 = 32,6%
2014/2015: 62,012 = 32,9%
2015/2016: 60,127 = 32,4%


[COLOR="Red"]23.4% DECREASE in 10 years
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And then they come back during elections solely to tip the votes in a country they don't even live in because politics.

[QUOTE=Starling;170392]And then they come back during elections solely to tip the votes in a country they don't even live in because politics.[/QUOTE]

Only in kichevo. The good thing is however right now in kichevo municipality school age students are approximately 50/50 Macedonian and Albanian. In the future kichevo will return to having a Macedonian mayor when voter rolls are cleaned up.

Still chafes while it's happening though and indicates a very obvious flaw in current voting regulations. Good to hear demographics won't support it though.

Very interesting statistics..

Albo could you please provide statistics regarding origin of birth for Albanian parents in MKD. What are the percentage of Albanian parents born in Kosovo or Albania?.

Whilst I believe MKD will ultimately become a bi national state, the Albanians are masters of manipulation when it comes to statistics. Look at pristina, the Albanians harped on about how it had a population of 600 000 people yet when they did the census they only counted 198000 "officially".

Albanians have been immigrating to the Vardar for over two hundred years now. This started with the Ottomans encouraging Muslim Albanians to settle in Christian areas. Otherwise how else can you explain that Albanians in Albania are %35 Christian yet in Kosovo and MKD the Albanians are %99 Muslim.

[QUOTE=Pelagonija;170402]Very interesting statistics..

Albo could you please provide statistics regarding origin of birth for Albanian parents in MKD. What are the percentage of Albanian parents born in Kosovo or Albania?.

Whilst I believe MKD will ultimately become a bi national state, the Albanians are masters of manipulation when it comes to statistics. Look at pristina, the Albanians harped on about how it had a population of 600 000 people yet when they did the census they only counted 198000 "officially".

Albanians have been immigrating to the Vardar for over two hundred years now. This started with the Ottomans encouraging Muslim Albanians to settle in Christian areas. Otherwise how else can you explain that Albanians in Albania are %35 Christian yet in Kosovo and MKD the Albanians are %99 Muslim.[/QUOTE]

Albanians are emigrating out of Macedonia. Not only to western Europe but to Albania as well. If Albania gets EU membership before Macedonia which is likely the floodgates will open. This is good for Macedonia.

The only rights they will get are what we voluntarily give them.