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vicsinad 11-21-2017 10:12 AM

[QUOTE=Albo;170620]Where does it say that these displaced people are in Macedonia? And that they are Albanian?

The displaced people they are talking about are mostly Sebs, Roma and Albanians from North Mitrovica .. who are either in Serbia or displaced within Kosovo..

The refugees that remained in Macedonia were mostly from the Roma community.. very very few Albanians remained..[/QUOTE]

Ahh...very very few Albanians remained, huh? 1 remained? 2? 5? 10? 1,000? 10,000? 100,000? name the number that you know so much about.

And since you have trouble reading, the first sentence of the article ("The Number of Kosovo refugees in Macedonia remains high even though 18 years have passed...")

I'll give you a couple times to read that and then to put 2 and 2 together.

Albo 11-21-2017 11:04 AM

Yes it says "Kosovo Refugees" not specifically Albanian Kosovars.. as I said the refugees that remained were mostly from the Kosovar Roma community..


This is from Amnesty Internationals latest report on Macedonia..

[I]About 600 refugees, mainly Roma, who had fled Kosovo in 1999-2000, remained at risk of losing their access to livelihoods and other rights as the authorities continued to revoke their right to stay in the country on dubious grounds related to national security. [/I]

[url]https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/macedonia/report-macedonia/[/url]


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According this this report quoting the UNHCR in 2013 there were around 1100 refugees left..

[url]http://www.balkaneu.com/1100-refugees-war-kosovo-fyr-macedonia/[/url]

Again I stress and it's well know that the overwhelming majority of the refugees who remained in Macedonia after the war ended were Roma..

mklion 11-21-2017 11:43 AM

[QUOTE=Albo;170622]Yes it says "Kosovo Refugees" not specifically Albanian Kosovars.. as I said the refugees that remained were mostly from the Kosovar Roma community..


This is from Amnesty Internationals latest report on Macedonia..

[I]About 600 refugees, mainly Roma, who had fled Kosovo in 1999-2000, remained at risk of losing their access to livelihoods and other rights as the authorities continued to revoke their right to stay in the country on dubious grounds related to national security. [/I]

[url]https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/macedonia/report-macedonia/[/url]


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According this this report quoting the UNHCR in 2013 there were around 1100 refugees left..

[url]http://www.balkaneu.com/1100-refugees-war-kosovo-fyr-macedonia/[/url]

Again I stress and it's well know that the overwhelming majority of the refugees who remained in Macedonia after the war ended were Roma..[/QUOTE]


The real question is why won't they go back home ? It's because the racist Albanians have run any non Albanian including Serbians and Roma out of the country. Racist garbage.

Albo 11-21-2017 02:47 PM

[QUOTE]The real question is why won't they go back home ? It's because the racist Albanians have run any non Albanian including Serbians and Roma out of the country. Racist garbage.[/QUOTE]

The reason some of the Roma don't go back is because many were involved in war crimes and assisted the Serbian state apparatus to empty Kosovo of its Albanian population.. the Roma as in all parts of the Balkans live in almost every municipality.. the majority don't have a problem with them.. the ones who don't go back (including Serbs) don't do so as they are afraid of reprisal attacks for there involvment in the war.. the people know who was and wasn't involved..

mklion 11-21-2017 05:56 PM

[QUOTE=Albo;170624]The reason some of the Roma don't go back is because many were involved in war crimes and assisted the Serbian state apparatus to empty Kosovo of its Albanian population.. the Roma as in all parts of the Balkans live in almost every municipality.. the majority don't have a problem with them.. the ones who don't go back (including Serbs) don't do so as they are afraid of reprisal attacks for there involvment in the war.. the people know who was and wasn't involved..[/QUOTE]

Not really. 200000 Serbs fled and have not come back for fear of reprisals by Albanians who are RACIST. 200000 Serbs were not involved in war crimes and to even think this is the case makes me think you are extremely biased.

[url]http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/kosovo-serbia-condemn-albanian-protest-against-serb-pilgrims-08-29-2016[/url]

They won't even let 150 go to a church and protest that. Kosovar Albanians are racist bigots who discriminate against others practicing their right to practice their own religion freely.

Albo 11-21-2017 06:13 PM

This might have somethingto do with the protest?

[QUOTE]Mushtisht/Mustiste, which was mixed before 1999 war, was the scene of deadly violence and human rights abuses during the conflict. Many Albanians from the village are still missing [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] They won't even let 150 go to a church and protest that. Kosovar Albanians are racist bigots who discriminate against others practicing their right to practice their own religion freely. [/QUOTE]

You obviously don't know many Albanians if thats what you really think...

Look I'm not saying that innocent Serbs or other minorities shouldn't return to Kosovo..

But it's kinda hard for people to forget the decades of state sponsored abuse and discrimination from the Serbs..

Let's not.mention the war that left:

Over 10,000 Albanians civilians DEAD.
20,000 Women raped .
1.2 million people expelled from there homes.
Villages burned to the ground.
Thousands still missing..

Now if you had a family member go missing or was killed or raped by a Serb of Albanian of your village .. I'm sure you would be protesting too.. if not more...

Starling 11-21-2017 06:38 PM

To my understanding, Kosovo is what happens when Albanian nationalism meets Serbian nationalism. Given precedence for falsified statistics on the part of Albanians and terrorist activities from the KLA, Albanians aren't free of guilt either. That NATO bombing was carried out under false pretenses and Serbia can be considered a victim in that case without ignoring the discrimination it carried out before that. Likewise Albanians being mistreated by Serbians doesn't erase that they're also running non-Albanians not involved in the conflict out of the region and have a noticeable tendency to populate and then attempt to take over regions of neighboring countries.

So long as this kind of behaviour continues, peaceful relations simply won't be feasible.

mklion 11-21-2017 06:49 PM

[QUOTE=Albo;170629]This might have somethingto do with the protest?





You obviously don't know many Albanians if thats what you really think...

Look I'm not saying that innocent Serbs or other minorities shouldn't return to Kosovo..

But it's kinda hard for people to forget the decades of state sponsored abuse and discrimination from the Serbs..

Let's not.mention the war that left:

Over 10,000 Albanians civilians DEAD.
20,000 Women raped .
1.2 million people expelled from there homes.
Villages burned to the ground.
Thousands still missing..

Now if you had a family member go missing or was killed or raped by a Serb of Albanian of your village .. I'm sure you would be protesting too.. if not more...[/QUOTE]

You can call it what you want. But a racist is a racist

Pelagonija 11-21-2017 07:33 PM

[QUOTE=Albo;170624]The reason some of the Roma don't go back is because many were involved in war crimes and assisted the Serbian state apparatus to empty Kosovo of its Albanian population.. the Roma as in all parts of the Balkans live in almost every municipality.. the majority don't have a problem with them.. the ones who don't go back (including Serbs) don't do so as they are afraid of reprisal attacks for there involvment in the war.. the people know who was and wasn't involved..[/QUOTE]


Albo that's a little bit rich.. every act of Albanian violence is justified as self defence based on assumption and no evidence..

Grow up a little...

Goraždevac murders, panda bar massacre, good Friday massacre, Podujevo bus bombing all hardcore Chetniks

Pelagonija 11-21-2017 07:44 PM

[QUOTE=mklion;170631]You can call it what you want. But a racist is a racist[/QUOTE]

What a load of crap..

US claimed 100 000 dead initially for propaganda purposes.

10000 is the accepted overall figure, this includes:

- Albanians killed by Serbs, NATO and other Albanians
- Kosovo Serbs
- Gypsies

20000 women were not raped, I think the Serbs were too busy trying to stay alive rather than walk around raping women

-1.2 million displaced? I recall Albanians laughing in blace then proceeded to cry when the CNN camera focused..

It's called propaganda my friend, how else would the US justify a war? Duhh? People cried, forgot about lewinsky.. America knocked over an independent country.. win win..

Dont believe western media.. or your Village historian..


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