Its absolutely disgusting watching that, i think Education Minister Todorov needs to take a look at the Albanian Uchebnik.

Za Sramota :nono:

[QUOTE]it is better to know the BITTER TRUTH than to live in a DELUSIONAL WORLD where MACEDONIA IS JUST GREAT AND THAT WE ARE WINNING IN EVERY LEVEL![/QUOTE]
Yes, this was exactly my aim, not to depress people (sorry Risto) but to give a wake up call to all those living in the delusional dream world.

BTW I will probably post more in this thread from time to time.

Niko777

Welcome, keep posting! The more realistic picture the better!

Welcome to the MTO Niko 777, and thank you for the posts. I agree with RTG it is depressing, but its reality, the framework agreement in action

revolting.... outcome of the political capitulation in 2001.

de-facto federalization...

Remember 97?? Mayor of gostivar was arrested and anti riot police put down protesters.. why?? because they raised the albanian flag... This was under Gligorov by the way...

Look at things now

[QUOTE=Volk;80488]Look at things now[/QUOTE]
Some might call it progress. We are looking better to the EU every day.

[QUOTE=indigen;80456]FLAWED RATIONALE AND UNDERSTANDING OF HOW POLITICS WORKS! Read my signature file below and visit the link for gerater understanding of how the state has a hand in engineering either patriotic or (in Macedonia's case) spineless (безр’бетници - мекотели!) individuals.[/QUOTE]In that case, it would also be FLAWED RATIONALE to blame Gruevski or Crvenkovski who were also once ordinary citizens that would have been engineered by this State.

Come on mate, You can give me reasons why people don't rebel, but the fact that we must take matter into our own hands instead of relying on politicians is not a Flawed Rational.

Speaking of spineless, i "use to" have a cousin who lives in Australia, when telling a greek that he is Macedonian, he would then add "oh i'm not the typical type of Macedonian".
And how many Diaspora Macedonians are afraid to call them selves Macedonians.

Now how has this "State" engineered these Macedonians on the other side of the planet, to become so spineless?

[QUOTE=Bill77;80514]In that case, it would also be FLAWED RATIONALE to blame Gruevski or Crvenkovski who were also once ordinary citizens that would have been engineered by this State.[/quote]
No it is not! They are now (and have been for a while) part of the VASSAL SYSTEM ENJOYING THE BENEFITS OF VASSALAGE! :-)

[QUOTE]Come on mate, You can give me reasons why people don't rebel, [COLOR="Red"][B]but the fact that we must take matter into our own hands instead of relying on politicians is not a Flawed Rational.[/B][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
True!

[QUOTE]Speaking of spineless, i "use to" have a cousin who lives in Australia, when telling a greek that he is Macedonian, he would then add "oh i'm not the typical type of Macedonian".
And how many Diaspora Macedonians are afraid to call them selves Macedonians.[/QUOTE]
Many used to call themselves "YUgoSLAV/ian and probably those are the many that are afraid to do so. But there were many examples of Macedonians clashing with Grks as supporters of football teams in the late 1980s and early 1990s and those Macedonians surely did not show any gene deficiencies to make them lack courage to fight (in fact they were acting like Macedonian lions!). :-)

[QUOTE]Now how has this "State" engineered these Macedonians on the other side of the planet, to become so spineless?[/QUOTE]
Good subject for a future topic discussion, Bill! Save it for next year and see if we can shed more light on it then but the extended arm of the state should not be discounted, even more so today with internet access readily available, daily news satellite TV broadcasts and ethnic radio that has been around for 30 plus years.

[QUOTE=Volk;80488]

Remember 97??

Look at things now[/QUOTE]

Volk, Who gave the Albanians from Kosovo 150,000 Citizenships? Kiro Gligorov did more harm then good.

While reading the posts on this thread I got an eiry feeling that I was going to be albanised tomorrow and there wasn't anything I could have done to stop it.

Be scared you feeble Macedonian!
Be scared since you do not have two hands to fight back. You do not have a mind of your own. There isn't anything you can do to stop the unstoppable super albanians so why try? Just lay down and die it is for the best anyway... Whose best is a totally different question.

All the info on what everybody is doing to us is just a scare tactic.
Scare tactics work on two levels.
One is to scare then to offer a solution. In this way the one that uses the scare tactic can sell anything for relief of the fright caused.
The other is to scare but not to offer a solution which inevitably leads to apathy in the target.

For further reading:
[url]http://www.angelfire.com/ab6/protivpropaganda/fajlovi/strav.htm[/url]