[QUOTE=Risto the Great;147359]George, the RoM government is creating this. And the "patriotic" Macedonians vote for this government. Until this is accepted as the first truth, there can be no change.[/QUOTE]

Gruevski is building fancy statues and new cafes in skopje, he also talks tough once every few months towards the grks (but strangely never to the bulgarians or shiptars) - this is enough for the common man in macedonia to believe he is a patriot and doing a great job.

We are doomed

[QUOTE=lavce pelagonski;147350]He doesnt know how to speak shiptarski but is happy the shiptar flag is waving high.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94A4uBATSSA]�е знаат да зборуваат албан�ки но горди �е на албан�кото знаме. Лабуништа - YouTube[/url][/QUOTE]

LOL

Is he Torbeshi?

nthat's right there is the possibility of an all out war .The Albanians still hold their weapons of 2001.As well as from the NLA that if they hear of any complaints of fellow shiptari & the NLA will move in straight away.The rom govt is in o shape like in 2001 to fight a war as it has allowed the army to dwindle away so they are in no shape to fight.They would literally be a pushover for the Nla & Uck.The ROM govt is licked on all fronts.(signed,sealed.delivered.)Wham bam thankyou mamEven the minister for defence is Albanian So don't be surprised if the order is to fire at Macedonians!.In a war the Albanians will allways get the sympathy vote just like the 2001 they were painted as the victims.But in the next break out of war don't be surprised of secession rights as they will carve up most of Macedonia.
BBS thaty's right he looks like a torbesh.Gruevski is just taking the issues off the heat for the moment so people can say he is doing a swell job.We know how he has let us down.All part & parcel of holding to the job.THink about the way the sdcm will operate & would sell their mother to get into power.Who ever gets in the final result is the same again.

current picture of the new mosque in struga
the same mosque you can find in selo gllumove / Skopje

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I've given this thread and its content a lot of thought, and it used to aggravate me be I'm over it. Honestly I dont think it matters. Yes it looks bad and is bad and yes it says something about the current state of affairs but you know what if shiptari want to spend all there money building mosques I say good! What value does a mosque or a 100 bring to their people? None, its a waist of space and money, I hope they keep blowing there money and time on stupidity instead of something productive, they cant take over a country with mosques, they are just being gaudy and childish and in the long run it will prove to be just that. It does nothing for their future so why get so worked up about it?

[quote=Gocka;147421]I've given this thread and its content a lot of thought, and it used to aggravate me be I'm over it. Honestly I dont think it matters. Yes it looks bad and is bad and yes it says something about the current state of affairs but you know what if shiptari want to spend all there money building mosques I say good! What value does a mosque or a 100 bring to their people? None, its a waist of space and money, I hope they keep blowing there money and time on stupidity instead of something productive, they cant take over a country with mosques, they are just being gaudy and childish and in the long run it will prove to be just that. It does nothing for their future so why get so worked up about it?[/quote]
[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]It mobilises their people and gives them a foundation on which to base their worldview. The mosques themselves are not necessarily important, its what they are used for and what is taught in those mosques. They are used to consolidate the Albanian identity, seperate them from Macedonian society and form an 'Albanian' vision for the future of the state. This is what Macedonians don't have, don't understand and seemingly don't want.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]The mosque's also act to mark out territory as Albanian and Islamic. There's no missing it. Western Macedonia looks nothing like Central and Eastern Macedonia. Its immediately apparent that two different peoples populate these territories.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;147427][COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]It mobilises their people and gives them a foundation on which to base their worldview. The mosques themselves are not necessarily important, its what they are used for and what is taught in those mosques. They are used to consolidate the Albanian identity, seperate them from Macedonian society and form an 'Albanian' vision for the future of the state. This is what Macedonians don't have, don't understand and seemingly don't want.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]The mosque's also act to mark out territory as Albanian and Islamic. There's no missing it. Western Macedonia looks nothing like Central and Eastern Macedonia. Its immediately apparent that two different peoples populate these territories.[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Tom
Agreed, they are like dogs marking out their territory, that analogy also befits their social status as well! And the Macedonians? obviously don't mind getting pissed on!

Sure you can look at it that way and you very well may be correct, but the part where it gets complicated for me is; They are not financing most of these mosques themselves, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding the building of the mosques, with the intention I believe to spread Islam in Europe so that they may have more influence on European politics in the future. Now if you believe the Albanians are smart enough to use the Saudis and Qataris to also further their own agendas then yes possibly what you say is valid but coming from someone who has lived most of his life in Western Macedonia I just dont think the shiptari are as well organized and have as clear of an agenda as you believe they do. As a people they are quite backwards, most of them are followers not leaders, what we are seeing unfold is a select few who are in control of a large bunch, and those select few are not as noble intentioned as you might think. They have seen an opportunity to be in power over a large bunch and they have found 2 ways to stay in control, Islam, and hatred of none Muslims. There isnt this giant movement for "freedom and rights", most of them just do as they are told and dont know why. They are being used as a blunt tool by the Saudis to spread Islam, and by the US to keep Russian influence out of the Balkans. This is my opinion, and I am fairly certain that if outside interests were to be no more, that the shiptari would look like a bunch of headless chickens.

I see Europe becoming more and more anti islam. I can see one day in the future this Islamic renaissance that the albanians are playing to come back and bite them in the ass. Right now the last direction anyone in Europe would want to be heading toward is radical islam, and the albanians are flirting with it. They might find themselves with very little outside support one day because of there stupid mosques.

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;147427][COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]It mobilises their people and gives them a foundation on which to base their worldview. The mosques themselves are not necessarily important, its what they are used for and what is taught in those mosques. They are used to consolidate the Albanian identity, seperate them from Macedonian society and form an 'Albanian' vision for the future of the state. This is what Macedonians don't have, don't understand and seemingly don't want.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]The mosque's also act to mark out territory as Albanian and Islamic. There's no missing it. Western Macedonia looks nothing like Central and Eastern Macedonia. Its immediately apparent that two different peoples populate these territories.[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gocka;147434]Sure you can look at it that way and you very well may be correct, but the part where it gets complicated for me is; They are not financing most of these mosques themselves, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding the building of the mosques, with the intention I believe to spread Islam in Europe so that they may have more influence on European politics in the future. Now if you believe the Albanians are smart enough to use the Saudis and Qataris to also further their own agendas then yes possibly what you say is valid but coming from someone who has lived most of his life in Western Macedonia I just dont think the shiptari are as well organized and have as clear of an agenda as you believe they do. As a people they are quite backwards, most of them are followers not leaders, what we are seeing unfold is a select few who are in control of a large bunch, and those select few are not as noble intentioned as you might think. They have seen an opportunity to be in power over a large bunch and they have found 2 ways to stay in control, Islam, and hatred of none Muslims. There isnt this giant movement for "freedom and rights", most of them just do as they are told and dont know why. They are being used as a blunt tool by the Saudis to spread Islam, and by the US to keep Russian influence out of the Balkans. This is my opinion, and I am fairly certain that if outside interests were to be no more, that the shiptari would look like a bunch of headless chickens.

I see Europe becoming more and more anti islam. I can see one day in the future this Islamic renaissance that the albanians are playing to come back and bite them in the ass. Right now the last direction anyone in Europe would want to be heading toward is radical islam, and the albanians are flirting with it. They might find themselves with very little outside support one day because of there stupid mosques.[/QUOTE] Gocka in regard to Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding for the building of these mosques in Macedonia, is this based on a guess or actual evidence?