[QUOTE=Bugi;122670]so before you knew about the Vergina sun-that was found in the 1970's,the ethnic macedonians didint have a national flag?:mellow:

Croats in Bosnia are about 20%-they are a official nation-NOT minority in the country
Serbs are 30%-official constitutional national element in Bosnia

so how come Macedonia cant become the country of the macedonian and albanian people?

I think you realize the double standards![/QUOTE]

Because your numbers are severely exaggerated within Macedonia. You already have your own country, why should Macedonia sacrifice its' identity and territory to form some Albo-Maco nation? Being a recent minority does not prelude you to go on and ask for a dual ethnic state. As far as I'm concerned, Albanians in Macedonia should identify as Macedonian citizens and learn and respect the Macedonian culture, language and identity. I live in Australia and all minorities identify as Australian. To go on and say, the Australian flag does not represent Macedonians, Chinese, or whoever is a bullshit statement. The fact is we settled here...many of us did so to escape the war and hardships back in Macedonia.

Does this ring any bells? The Kosovo refugees that fled to Macedonia? Yet we respect Australia immensely, however I doubt there is an ounce of respect or gratitude from Albanians who were given refuge by an incompetent government.

[QUOTE=EgejskaMakedonia;122671]Obviously you have no idea about the 150,000+ Kosovo refugees that were granted asylum in Macedonia during 1999. Very few have returned to Kosovo since, yet claim they have been in Macedonia for centuries (people like you).

Fancy that, a nation gives you homes, food, a place to live during a war with the serbs, and in turn you terrorise Macedonian villages and people, bash and beat Macedonian civilians and distance yourselves from anything and everything to do with Macedonia. If someone came to my house and disrespected it, I'd throw them out. That is what the Macedonian government really needs to consider if this trend continues. It may actually save lives and prevent an armed conflict.

How long will these constant attacks on Macedonian children and commuters go on before a stand is taken and people declare that enough is enough.

It seems that the Albanians that defend these pathetic attackers justify this uncivilised behaviour with the 'rights call.' Why is it so hard to understand that you've been granted far more prestigious rights than any other minority throughout the Balkans. Why don't you mention the Macedonian minority in Albania and their 'equal' treatment? People like you always want to take, yet are unwilling to give in any situation.

How you can defend people using poles/bats or any other weapon to hit children and innocent bystanders is beyond me. If ethnic Macedonians were the perpetrators, there would be protest after protest, and the Albanian minority would once again cry foul play whilst plotting their 'revenge.' But the moment an Albanian is the attacker, they are praised as some kind of freedom fighter who attacked children to show how oppressed they are.

Do you condone this violence? If they are Albanian, does that somehow make them innocent or immune from such acts of crime?
If your answer to the later is 'yes,' then I guess you have a lot in common with the DPMNE government.[/QUOTE]

Looks like you dont understand the size and meaning of the number 150,000!

where did those people started to live then?
lets say one albanian family has 6 members,thats 25,000 families,you need 25,000 homes...lol
on the 1994 census in Macedonia,the albanians were 440,000 people!


without the natural increase with the kosovars you mention,means we got a number 590,000 albanians !
where is the logic?

[QUOTE=Bugi;122678]Looks like you dont understand the size and meaning of the number 150,000!

where did those people started to live then?
lets say one albanian family has 6 members,thats 25,000 families,you need 25,000 homes...lol
on the 1994 census in Macedonia,the albanians were 440,000 people!


without the natural increase with the kosovars you mention,means we got a number 590,000 albanians !
where is the logic?[/QUOTE]

Funny how you ignore the rest of my post in regards to the attacks. Are you going to defend a bunch of thugs and proven terrorists or not?

[QUOTE=EgejskaMakedonia;122679]Funny how you ignore the rest of my post in regards to the attacks. Are you going to defend a bunch of thugs and proven terrorists or not?[/QUOTE]

What terrorists?

and with that kind of government policies what did you expect?

Im talking about government sponsored projects like Skopje 2014 till giving a uniform and a gun to someone with a criminal background so he could kill people...

[QUOTE=Bugi;122680]What terrorists?

and with that kind of government policies what did you expect?

Im talking about government sponsored projects like Skopje 2014 till giving a uniform and a gun to someone with a criminal background so he could kill people...[/QUOTE]

Why are you trying so hard to defend these people? Take those blinkers off and realise that Albanians aren't always in the right. What relevance has the Skopje 2014 project got to do with Albanian thugs targeting Macedonian youths on a DAILY basis?

It has been established that the police officer was off-duty, so at that particular time he was an ordinary citizen. It isn't exactly hard to get a hold of weapons in Macedonia, just ask the so called 'NLA.' They've obtained more than just a gun through illegal means. He was attacked by a group of thugs, and perhaps it didn't end well, but despite the Albanians being in the wrong, this is constantly being used as some kind of 'excuse.'

It's ironic how you bring up the fact that someone with a criminal background is in a position that holds a degree of power (i.e a policeman).
However, I doubt you would have a problem with Hazbi Lika being in a position within the national Defence ministry. Isn't it far more irresponsible to arm an ethnic Albanian with proven affiliations and links to terrorist groups with the nation's entire military arsenal? If he is now officially within the ministry of defence I'm not sure, even so, allocating the Defence portfolio to a DUI member (Fatmir Besimi) is a joke in itself considering Ali Ahmeti is the leader of the party.

THe macedonian govt should build up it's army,with more arms & numbers.It's not a matter if but when.The fanatics will act first.

[QUOTE=George S.;122682]THe macedonian govt should build up it's army,with more arms & numbers.It's not a matter if but when.The fanatics will act first.[/QUOTE]

Dont follow Milosevic,the only loser would be only the macedonians...

Lots of statistics Bugi, yet the Albanians refuse to participate in a census. Why?

[QUOTE=Bugi;122684]Dont follow Milosevic,the only loser would be only the macedonians...[/QUOTE]No one suggests following Milosevic by suggesting stand up for our selves.

But i can suggest, Dont follow Sasha Grey...... google the name and you might get what i mean.

[QUOTE=Bugi;122568]

macedonian policeman with a criminal background kills 2 albanian youths

reaction:what we have today

[/QUOTE] Latest news is Police are instructed to take public transport to work in order to protect the civilians.

Now i have a question or two for you.

Albanian thugs enter a bus with weapons (Knives clubs etc) just like they have been doing these last couple of days. They are asked to stop by one of these law enforces. The criminals refuse and head towards this police officer. what is acceptable for a police officer to do in this situation?

I can tell you what is acceptable and standard procedure every where else in the world, but give me a double standard warped Ethnic Albanian reasoning.