[QUOTE=George S.;109909]stop your bs you clown your so stupid you fogot to take your stupid clown avatar.Also the stupid things you say are exactly what fyrom the clown would say..Good riddance you are sure to come back as bozo the clown.The fyromian clown.[/QUOTE]

This guy was certainly NOT Ozimak, because his answers were short and precise. An overall interesting case that reminded me more of users like Ivo or Currency Trader, though he had some unique and bizarre ideas. It's a pity, you are all a little crazy but moderators should restrain the members instead of fuelling things without a reason.

By the way, I miss Ozimak and he certainly did not deserve his mistreatment, especially since he was a very old member.

A propaganda forum (any propaganda forum) is of course an oxymoron, since freedom of speech is against the effective promotion of very restricted ideas, but some balance can be found.

Vangelovski (and even you Risto the Great) calm down!!

[QUOTE=cultea;109987]This guy was certainly NOT Ozimak, because his answers were short and precise. An overall interesting case that reminded me more of users like Ivo or Currency Trader, though he had some unique and bizarre ideas. It's a pity, you are all a little crazy but moderators should restrain the members instead of fuelling things without a reason.

By the way, I miss Ozimak and he certainly did not deserve his mistreatment, especially since he was a very old member.

A propaganda forum (any propaganda forum) is of course an oxymoron, since freedom of speech is against the effective promotion of very restricted ideas, but some balance can be found.

Vangelovski (and even you Risto the Great) calm down!![/QUOTE]

I'm somewhat amazed by the level of tolerance displayed by the Administrators of this forum for the likes of the 'Ozimaks' and most surprisingly for the 'greeks' that wander through here...I've argued for years the futility of the 'greek' presence on Macedonian forums.

If I had access to the 'delete' button, none of you 'greek' fucks would be in here.

Macedonia's Vice Premier Xhaferi is in the USA today visiting the Albanian-American Council.

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here we are slaving away in foreign lands & the albanians are building super duper mansions.
It all seems just a waste of time trying to make ends meet .Where is all that money coming from & the govt is turning a blind eye.

cultea you smart arse you think you know everything he was using the same avatar.Who cares we don't need smart arse comments either short or long especially with fyromian leanings.

[QUOTE=George S.;110373]cultea you smart arse you think you know everything he was using the same avatar.Who cares we don't need smart arse comments either short or long especially with fyromian leanings.[/QUOTE]

Lol, the reason he had the same avatar of 'bozo the clown' is because the mods forcefully imposed it on him, no different to how the Macedonian government shoved the ventilator down the throats of the Macedonian citizens. I don't agree with changing MTO member names and avatars since it goes against our very beliefs. If they breach forum rules a ban is much more appropriate rather than ridiculing one another.

But since we all seem to be in such an attacking mood lately, I'll follow the trend and take this opportunity to critisise the author of the post I quoted. I know your heart is in the right place George, but perhaps you shouldn't always be so quick to jump the gun. A little proofreading wouldn't hurt to prevent some of your ridiculous, and at times, embarrassing posts.

We are all civilized beings here so why must we crucify every second poster on these forums? It is most certainly a place for debate but some of us here have resulted in attacking our own people, then they wonder why the Macedonian community in Australia is plagued with division. We've already lost some very notable Macedonian members (Rogi and Bill are the first to spring to mind), so it is blatantly obvious that this attacking mentality isn't going to assist the forum in any way.
I was happy to watch as a bystander, feeling this phase would soon pass, but it has now become beyond ridiculous and a few other members have already pointed out similar contentions.

Don't stoop to the level of our oppressors.

[quote=EgejskaMakedonia;110396]Lol, the reason he had the same avatar of 'bozo the clown' is because the mods forcefully imposed it on him, no different to how the Macedonian government shoved the ventilator down the throats of the Macedonian citizens. I don't agree with changing MTO member names and avatars since it goes against our very beliefs. If they breach forum rules a ban is much more appropriate rather than ridiculing one another.

But since we all seem to be in such an attacking mood lately, I'll follow the trend and take this opportunity to critisise the author of the post I quoted. I know your heart is in the right place George, but perhaps you shouldn't always be so quick to jump the gun. A little proofreading wouldn't hurt to prevent some of your ridiculous, and at times, embarrassing posts.

We are all civilized beings here so why must we crucify every second poster on these forums? It is most certainly a place for debate but some of us here have resulted in attacking our own people, then they wonder why the Macedonian community in Australia is plagued with division. We've already lost some very notable Macedonian members (Rogi and Bill are the first to spring to mind), so it is blatantly obvious that this attacking mentality isn't going to assist the forum in any way.
I was happy to watch as a bystander, feeling this phase would soon pass, but it has now become beyond ridiculous and a few other members have already pointed out similar contentions.

Don't stoop to the level of our oppressors.[/quote]EM, the reason we have divisions in Australia is because we are the most ideologically solid group in the diaspora. We have actually taken a stand and we will not back down from our principles. There are factions within Australia that have chosen to support and promote the treason that the Macedonian Government has undertaken (not thinking of anyone in particular on this forum, but throughout the Macedonian community in Australia). The fact that we have divisions shows that we are thinking about the issues and taking them seriously. It shows that we have robust debate and we are not just jumping onto the next bandwagon that comes along. It shows that there are people and organisations in Australia that have clearly defined principles and will not back down from them. It shows that we won't just accept whatever is thrown at us and then give ourselves a pat on the back UMD style.

[QUOTE="EgejskaMakedonia"]Lol, the reason he had the same avatar of 'bozo the clown' is because the mods forcefully imposed it on him, no different to how the Macedonian government shoved the ventilator down the throats of the Macedonian citizens. I don't agree with changing MTO member names and avatars since it goes against our very beliefs. If they breach forum rules a ban is much more appropriate rather than ridiculing one another.[/QUOTE]
EM, the decision to change his avatar wasn't the most appropriate and you're right, if he breaches forum policy then the reaction should be in accordance with the established rules. If he chooses to return to the forum he can have his old avatar back. He was still a new member so I wouldn't yet put him in the same boat as 'ozimak' who was continually spamming this forum for months on end, and, who should have been banned long before he had an opportunity to do it. We live and learn mate, we will continue trying to moderate this forum as best we can, and if you have any other concerns or suggestions don't hesitate to make them heard.

I wouldn't mourn Helvetia's exit too deeply, his posts were littered with subtle Albanian undertones that no Macedonian, no matter how warped, could have written.