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Risto the Great 01-30-2012 08:00 PM

[QUOTE=Komita;119157]Or children like yourself.[/QUOTE]
Well I am young at heart.
I believe only Macedonians can save themselves. Nobody else will help them. Not even the Serbs bre Serbofil.

Risto the Great 01-30-2012 09:29 PM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;119129]Christian-Muslim relations are terrible. Macedonia's are quite suspicious of Muslim Macedonians in Labunista because many of them record themselves as Albanians in the census and vote for Albanian parties.[/QUOTE]Clearly Macedonian Muslims place their religion above their nationality. Albanians on the other hand do the opposite. Again, another "win" for the ethnic Albanians with the Muslim Macedonians being such easy prey.

Vangelovski 01-30-2012 09:41 PM

[quote=Risto the Great;119166]Clearly Macedonian Muslims place their religion above their nationality. Albanians on the other hand do the opposite. Again, another "win" for the ethnic Albanians with the Muslim Macedonians being such easy prey.[/quote]I don't think its a matter of them placing their religion above their nationality (their faith is questionable). I think its a matter of them having a weak ethnonational identity and seeking short-term personal gain. Reports have it that these Macedonian Muslims recieve material benefit in exchange for them identifying as Albanians and voting for Albanian political parties. Some of these material benefits include cash rewards (from the party) and infrastructure projects in their villages and public sector jobs (from the municipal authorities once the party is in power).

Volk 01-30-2012 10:07 PM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;119167]Reports have it that these Macedonian Muslims recieve material benefit in exchange for them identifying as Albanians and voting for Albanian political parties. [/QUOTE]

Care to identify or produce these so called reports?

Vangelovski 01-30-2012 10:20 PM

[quote=Volk;119171]Care to identify or produce these so called reports?[/quote]Its called on the ground field work with eyewitness accounts, part of my PhD research. When its all done I'll send you a copy.

Volk 01-30-2012 10:23 PM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;119173]Its called on the ground field work with eyewitness accounts, part of my PhD research. When its all done I'll send you a copy.[/QUOTE]

Interesting, I look forward to it

United MKD 01-31-2012 01:26 AM

Apparently there is meant to be a protest today at 12pm Macedonian time in Struga by the Macedonians, lets see how many show up. I hope it is a strong voice and a strong number, something needs to be done.

Soldier of Macedon 01-31-2012 02:06 AM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;119167]I don't think its a matter of them placing their religion above their nationality (their faith is questionable). I think its a matter of them having a weak ethnonational identity and seeking short-term personal gain.[/QUOTE]
I never had the opportunity to meet any Macedonian Muslims while I was in Macedonia a couple years back, however, I have met a couple of them here in Australia. One of them is actually a friend of mine who has a strong Macedonian identity, speaks Macedonian as good as the rest of us and abhors being referred to as Turkish or Albanian. Without foreign propaganda most of them would naturally incline towards their Macedonian roots.

Vangelovski 01-31-2012 02:18 AM

[quote=Soldier of Macedon;119212]I never had the opportunity to meet any Macedonian Muslims while I was in Macedonia a couple years back, however, I have met a couple of them here in Australia. One of them is actually a friend of mine who has a strong Macedonian identity, speaks Macedonian as good as the rest of us and abhors being referred to as Turkish or Albanian. Without foreign propaganda most of them would naturally incline towards their Macedonian roots.[/quote]To be fair, I think most Macedonians would put personal material gain ahead of their identity. In fact, the vast majority of Macedonians put [B]perceived [/B]personal material gain ahead of their identity and its obvious in the current state of affairs.

Soldier of Macedon 01-31-2012 02:27 AM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;119214]To be fair, I think most Macedonians would put personal material gain ahead of their identity.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, that would probably apply to many people in this world.


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