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Niko777 02-28-2012 03:51 PM

I think we can all agree that the Albanians in Macedonia have so many factors and powers working on their side towards their goal of a greater Albania. The bigger question is, is it too late? Is all this reversible? Or is the snowball effect so large now that it's spinning out of control, and there's no hope, Macedonia will cease to exist in the near future?

Risto the Great 02-28-2012 05:33 PM

I cannot see a future for Macedonia the way it presently exists. The question is whether RoMacedonians have the desire to unchain themselves from this self imposed slavery.

[QUOTE]Why do you stay in prison when the door is so wide open?
[/QUOTE]Jalal ad-Din Rumi

ProMKD 02-28-2012 08:15 PM

[QUOTE=Komita;121446]
Повеќе од 1.000 имиња на улици, плоштади и мостови во Скопје ќе бидат ставени во игра за преименување, дознава „Дневник“ од извори во Советот на Град Скопје. Меѓу предлозите околу 100 се имиња на значајни личности и настани за Албанците, а се очекува повеќе од 200 предлози да поминат. [/QUOTE]

I hate Macedonian press. What the hell does this crap mean??

So first they say over 1,000 names will be in question.

Then they say out of those 1,000, aboout 100 are names of shiptars.

Then in the SAME sentence it says it expects about 200 of the suggestions to be accepted.

Since it's saying it in the same sentence, one would expect that they expect 200 shiptar names to pass. If there are only 100 shiptar suggestions, how the hell can 200 be accepted?

And if it's saying 200 will pass out of the total 1,000, why the hell would they expect that only 20% of all suggestions will be accepted?? THEY NEVER MAKE SENSE.

Brian 02-28-2012 09:21 PM

[QUOTE=ProMKD;121506]I hate Macedonian press. What the hell does this crap mean??

So first they say over 1,000 names will be in question.

Then they say out of those 1,000, aboout 100 are names of shiptars.

Then in the SAME sentence it says it expects about 200 of the suggestions to be accepted.

Since it's saying it in the same sentence, one would expect that they expect 200 shiptar names to pass. If there are only 100 shiptar suggestions, how the hell can 200 be accepted?

And if it's saying 200 will pass out of the total 1,000, why the hell would they expect that only 20% of all suggestions will be accepted?? THEY NEVER MAKE SENSE.[/QUOTE]

You are right that it is ambiguous but I think it means 1000 names are put into question for a change of which 100 are Albanian names and 200 of the thousand will be accepted for a change, assuming all 100 Albanian names are accepted, then 100 of the 200 accepted changes will be other than Albanian ie Macedonian, Serb, Roma, ect. A possible reason the 100 non-Albanian accepted changes could be to include other minorities and/or Communist era names being change to more Macedonian names.

By the way, this push to learn Albanian and a choice to speak either in Albanian or Macedonian will lead to an ironic twist - in the past the Albanians would speak Albanian to only themselves and within their own community as would be expected of any minority in any country eg Macedonians in Australia, yet in the future they will exercise their 'right' to speak Albanian at every opportunity and it will then be the Macedonians who will be only speaking Macedonian when they encounter another Macedonian eg at a counter/office/shop/ect creating a complete role reversal or if 2 stubborn types meet one will speak Albanian and the other Macedonian at the same time even though both understand each others language.

Brian 02-28-2012 09:27 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;121477]Jalal ad-Din Rumi[/QUOTE]

What does that mean RtG?

LOL.Hey, by the way, do you also sometimes grab your ears when you pray?

Vangelovski 02-28-2012 10:02 PM

[quote=ProMKD;121506]I hate Macedonian press. What the hell does this crap mean??

So first they say over 1,000 names will be in question.

Then they say out of those 1,000, aboout 100 are names of shiptars.

Then in the SAME sentence it says it expects about 200 of the suggestions to be accepted.

Since it's saying it in the same sentence, one would expect that they expect 200 shiptar names to pass. If there are only 100 shiptar suggestions, how the hell can 200 be accepted?

And if it's saying 200 will pass out of the total 1,000, why the hell would they expect that only 20% of all suggestions will be accepted?? THEY NEVER MAKE SENSE.[/quote]I agree with the point about the vagueness in the Macedonian press. But I think the problem is much wider and Macedonians in general are very vague. It is sometimes very frustrating when asking for specific details and receiving completely irrelevant or nonsense responses.

Stojacanec 02-28-2012 10:15 PM

[QUOTE=slovenec zrinski;121395]Wasn´t the Sandzhak of Hercegovina part of the Sandzhak of Bosnia during Ottoman times?
Wasn´t Bosnia Hercegovina seen as one entity during the time of Autro-Hungarian empire? Divided in 6 districs?
If Bosnia and the Bosnians was a creation of Tito then Macedonia and the Macedonians also was a creation of Tito. :001_smile::001_smile::001_smile: Damn..the Greeks and Bulgarians have been right all this time;)[/QUOTE]

If Tito and Stalin got along there is no telling where we would be today.......just some food for thought.:devil2:

Krivan 02-29-2012 04:38 AM

[QUOTE=Niko777;121470]I think we can all agree that the Albanians in Macedonia have so many factors and powers working on their side towards their goal of a greater Albania. The bigger question is, is it too late? Is all this reversible? Or is the snowball effect so large now that it's spinning out of control, and there's no hope, Macedonia will cease to exist in the near future?[/QUOTE]

We've been through worse. Nothing is ever too late to fix things. Cut it out with that defeatist attitude. :thumbup1:

Soldier of Macedon 02-29-2012 05:54 AM

[QUOTE=Krivan;121563]We've been through worse. Nothing is ever too late to fix things.[/QUOTE]
How do you think the 'Albanianisation' of Macedonia can be realistically fixed? Is the occupation of Macedonian territory by Greece and Bulgaria something that needs to be fixed, or is it too late?

Krivan 02-29-2012 06:11 AM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;121569]How do you think the 'Albanianisation' of Macedonia can be realistically fixed? Is the occupation of Macedonian territory by Greece and Bulgaria something that needs to be fixed, or is it too late?[/QUOTE]

The only possible option to deal with Albanians is assimilation. If we try to deport them, it won't sit too well with international organizations. We probably will become a pariah state i.e. Serbia during 90s as consequence despite the fact Greeks have been doing it since the 19th century.

Concerning our occupied territory, I believe it is too late to get those lands back. Our last chance was when Chento tried to unify Macedonia but was stopped by Tito.

I think it's best to focus on sorting our affairs at home such as getting our numbers up, improving our economy, reassert our identity (Kutles sun flag, RoM as constitutional name). Those things should come first before any kind of territorial expansions.


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