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GStojanov 01-31-2020 11:21 AM

Old folktale narrated in Voden dialect.
 
This is a link of an old folktale narrated in Voden dialect:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcT30pYEhlc[/url]

It has both Cyrillic and Latin transcriptions to it. Do you think this might be useful?

Karposh 01-31-2020 06:05 PM

It's interesting to see how some words have the complete opposite meaning from region to region in Macedonia.

The word "sporo" or "sporno" in the republic means slow or sluggish but, in Voden, it seems to mean effortless and easy.

GStojanov 02-03-2020 09:01 AM

That is true:

1. спор - as a noun means quarrel
2. спор - as an adjective means slow
3. спори - as a verb means to happen without much effort

The opposite of спорно is напорно - something that requires a lot of effort.

I am thinking of creating similar videos with folk tales narrated in the endangered dialects of Aegean Macedonia. I considered using Cyrillic and Alfavita, but I decided to use Latin transliteration instead.

Do you think this might be useful?

Risto the Great 02-03-2020 03:29 PM

Nice to see you around Goran. All the best.

sydney 02-03-2020 08:21 PM

[QUOTE=GStojanov;182061]That is true:

1. спор - as a noun means quarrel
2. спор - as an adjective means slow
3. спори - as a verb means to happen without much effort

The opposite of спорно is напорно - something that requires a lot of effort.

I am thinking of creating similar videos with folk tales narrated in the endangered dialects of Aegean Macedonia. I considered using Cyrillic and Alfavita, but I decided to use Latin transliteration instead.

Do you think this might be useful?[/QUOTE]

I commend you for this initiative. Latin transliteration is the way to go. Do you have someone on the ground in Egej to share your efforts with the locals?

Risto the Great 02-03-2020 08:27 PM

[quote=GStojanov;182047]This is a link of an old folktale narrated in Voden dialect:

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcT30pYEhlc"][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcT30pYEhlc[/url][/URL]

It has both Cyrillic and Latin transcriptions to it. Do you think this might be useful?[/quote]
I think it was great. Quite easy to understand most of it for me. Particularly from a flow perspective (e.g. which syllable is stressed/accented). Perhaps it might have been nice to have the Cyrillic version in standard Macedonian as a means of comparison.

Karposh 02-04-2020 02:56 AM

[QUOTE=GStojanov;182061]That is true:

1. спор - as a noun means quarrel [COLOR="red"][I](I actually knew that one)[/I][/COLOR]
2. спор - as an adjective means slow
3. спори - as a verb means to happen without much effort [COLOR="Red"][I](This one was a bit of a surprise...Not one I've ever used in this context, to be perfectly honest)[/I][/COLOR]

The opposite of спорно is напорно - something that requires a lot of effort. [COLOR="red"][I](напорно - I knew that one too: a common word to describe something that is arduous and difficult. Nice to learn the other meaning of спорно: something easy and effortless)[/I][/COLOR]
...[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the clarification.

GStojanov 02-04-2020 09:25 AM

I have only a few contacts in Aegean Macedonia. I sent it to Evgenija:

[url]https://belomorskamacedonia.blogspot.com/[/url]

If you know someone that might find this useful, feel free to pass the link.

I was thinking of adding the subtitles in standard Macedonian, but as I started doing that, I realized that the differences are minor (a few local words, and a few phonetic features). So I decided to go with the original dialect. Plus I checked the old words like софалка, нишчалка... and they are included in the standard Macedonian dictionary.

Gocka 02-04-2020 01:44 PM

[QUOTE=GStojanov;182061]

1. спор - as a noun means quarrel [COLOR="Red"](use this)[/COLOR]
2. спор - as an adjective means slow [COLOR="red"](use this all the time)[/COLOR]
3. спори - as a verb means to happen without much effort [COLOR="red"]( never used this and don't know if I've heard it used either)[/COLOR]

The opposite of спорно is напорно - something that requires a lot of effort.[COLOR="red"] (use this word too)[/COLOR]
[/QUOTE]

Very interesting, I wish more research was done on topics like this and compiled into a single authority. As the old folks are moving on a lot of things are going to go with them if no one takes the time to write it all down.

GStojanov 02-05-2020 08:40 AM

It is always good to do more research, but much of it is already done too. Here are some resources about the dialects of the Macedonian language:

[url]http://dijalekti.manu.edu.mk/[/url]

And in particular about the Aegean dialects:

[url]http://dijalekti.manu.edu.mk/tekstovi.html[/url]

I think we should now focus on preserving the spoken dialects in Aegean Macedonia. They are not recognized, but they are not forbidden either. The question is can we, and if so, how can we help?


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