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ProMKD 11-15-2011 07:33 PM

Idiot doesn't even know how to talk. One of the 'neostvareni 10 tocki' includes the 'economic and social destruction of the albanians'. So he IS on our side? NOT! Monkey

Brian 11-15-2011 11:42 PM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the key to many of Macedonia's problems lay in the census because it backs the FA. Taci and other dogs will keep barking so long as they can keep waving the census results in front of us. Getting an accurate census is critical for Macedonia. Between now and the next census all activists, in and out of the republic, need to focus on this matter with urgency - 10 years to the next census is too long to wait.

See Link for detailed opinion.
[url]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=114515#post114515[/url]

Soldier of Macedon 11-15-2011 11:53 PM

Do you think Gruevski intends to change the status quo with respect to the FA even if the census shows Albanians to be less than 20%? Will his regime reverse all of the "initiatives" that have been granted to Albanians during his time in office?

Brian 11-16-2011 01:24 AM

Being the sly prick that he is, I doubt it, but it would give a much stronger voice to any parties/NGO's/activists to question why the situation is such, and why it is not being changed.

ProMKD 11-16-2011 09:45 PM

The problem is, the decisions that are being made now are almost irreversible. I'm not saying it's impossible, because everything is possible, but these policies are changing the mentality of all citizens, making them think what is happening is normal. In my opinion, they don't exceed 17%, while they claim at least 25%. Even if the real figure is between 17%-30%, that isn't enough to really change anything. There will be no stronger 'voice' until the citizens start demanding it from their politicians. The numbers aren't all that important

Risto the Great 11-16-2011 10:31 PM

[QUOTE=ProMKD;114592][B]The problem is, the decisions that are being made now are almost irreversible.[/B] I'm not saying it's impossible, because everything is possible, but these policies are changing the mentality of all citizens, making them think what is happening is normal. In my opinion, they don't exceed 17%, while they claim at least 25%. Even if the real figure is between 17%-30%, that isn't enough to really change anything. There will be no stronger 'voice' until the citizens start demanding it from their politicians. The numbers aren't all that important[/QUOTE]

You are right ProMKD.
They are irreversible.
It might be possible to change them, but it will take a war to do it. If Macedonians in the Diaspora are seen to be encouraging civil war in the Republic, then they are seen as being crazy. Yet what is happening in Macedonia is beyond crazy.

Macedonia needs a war to change its constitution and legal amendments. The alternative is to have ethnic Albanians LET Macedonians change their constitution and make the legal amendments. Sad but true. Anyone who denies this is simply ignorant. Are we happy yet?

EgejskaMakedonia 11-16-2011 11:33 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;114598]You are right ProMKD.
They are irreversible.
It might be possible to change them, but it will take a war to do it. If Macedonians in the Diaspora are seen to be encouraging civil war in the Republic, then they are seen as being crazy. Yet what is happening in Macedonia is beyond crazy.

Macedonia needs a war to change its constitution and legal amendments. The alternative is to have ethnic Albanians LET Macedonians change their constitution and make the legal amendments. Sad but true. Anyone who denies this is simply ignorant. Are we happy yet?[/QUOTE]

Although I agree that war may be the only solution in this case, there is a distinct obstacle that exists. If the Macedonians aren't prepared to campaign and demand not to be treated as second-class citizens, it is highly unlikely they will fight for such rights. The only way I see a civil war starting, is if the Albanians initiate it, and the effects of that may either wake up the Macedonian people to the sad state of affairs that plagues their nation, OR, the ridiculous demands of the Albanian terrorists will be met, and Macedonians will enjoy an abrupt downgrade to third-class citizens.

Soldier of Macedon 11-17-2011 10:25 AM

You make a point EM, an armed conflict would be initiated by ethnic Albanian extremists, not Macedonians. Of course, they will claim they were provoked - but what sort of provocation would lead these people to raise arms against the state? How much can be reversed without such a perceived 'provocation'? Nobody wants a war, but is there any way of re-establishing a Macedonian Macedonia without war?

United MKD 11-17-2011 11:10 AM

Unfortunately I don't think there is. It's sad, looking at the future you just can't see a bright future, something has got to give and erupt. I don't know how it'll pan out but it's looking quite frightening at the current state.

Onur 11-20-2011 04:16 PM

[QUOTE=Big Bad Sven;114348]
Hungarians make up 10% of slovakia and don’t have it as good as the shiptars in Macedonia.

Its time to face the music, Macedonians are second rate citizens in Europe and also their very own country.

We deserve to be in this situation and that’s the very sad truth, until we stand up to the shiptars and our other racist neighbors will be seen as nothing more then a joke and push overs.[/QUOTE]

I remembered your post as soon as i saw this. Both Slovakia and Hungary are members of the EU but see what can happen in there. An ethnic Hungarian who has been born in Slovakia stripped off from his Slovakian citizenship just because he took Hungarian passport;

[QUOTE][B][COLOR="Red"]Olivér Boldoghy is the first ethnic Hungarian who lost his Slovakian citizenship because obtained the Hungarian one[/COLOR][/B]
It is unbelievable, but true – in the European Union, people can lose their citizenship if acquiring the citizenship of another member state. This is what happened to Olivér Boldoghy, a Slovakian citizen with ethnic Hungarian background. He lost his Slovakian citizenship as soon as he received his Hungarian passport. Now, he lives as an exile in his birthplace.

The activist of the “Komáromért polgári társulás” received a letter from the Slovakian Interior Ministry on Friday in which he was informed that he was stripped of his Slovakian citizenship.

The decision has been forwarded to the state agencies and within days his drivers license, his identity card and his Slovakian passport will be suspended. He will also lose his social security card and his health insurance card. On February 14, 2012 authorities can kick me out of my birthplace said Boldoghy who is working as a contractor.

"I don't have Hungarian residency, I don't have Hungarian documents; the only way I can acquire Hungarian identity card if move there, but I don't have any property in Hungary and I have no intention to move there. My job is here that requires me to drive a car, so I need drivers license, without that I can't make a living. Without revenue, I can't pay my taxes, my credit, and of course, I can't feed my family or provide health insurance for them in case of illness. Without permanent residence permit, I can't apply for a job either," said Boldoghy.

The only solution would be to apply for permanent residence in Slovakia, which I would get without problem said Boldoghy.

With a move like this however, I would admit that I am a stranger in my native land. I would recognize that the Slovakian state was right all along and it won. In this case, I would betray the ideals that we put forward in Komárom, in September where we called thousands of people to the street to support our ideas of dual citizenship. I would also send the wrong message to people implying that there is reason to be afraid of and it's better not to stand up for their basic rights" explained Boldoghy.

In recent months, number of ethnic Hungarians announced that acquired Hungarian citizenship, but they do not want to give up their Slovakian one. Olivér Boldoghy was the first person who has been stripped of his Slovakian citizenship.

November 20, 2011

[url]http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2011/11/oliver-boldoghy-is-first-ethnic.html[/url][/QUOTE]

None of us should bow down to their "human rights" rhetoric because it`s simply b.s.


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