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Risto the Great 12-14-2010 02:34 AM

[QUOTE=Bratot;82864]How would you know if you are far from neutral?[/QUOTE]
Exactly, I am not neutral ... I am pro-Macedonian and am viewing your responses rather negatively at the moment.
That is why I was asking you.

Bratot 12-14-2010 02:36 AM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;82831][COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]Bratot,[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]If you think that resolving YOUR patriotic feelings within YOUR own heart and YOUR ideological shortcomings within YOUR own mind is BS, then WHOSE heart and mind do you want to resolve them for you? Macedonians used to allow Belgrade, Sofia or Athens to tell them what to think and feel, now it seems they look to Brussels and Washington. Who do you look to, to tell you what to think and feel?[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]Patriotic activists from 150 years ago have defined the cause as freedom for the Macedonian people to determine their own affairs, including the 5 people I mentioned. If you don't believe that the Macedonians SHOULD be FREE to determine their own affairs (which clearly you do not), what exactly do you believe the cause is and WHO should determine Macedonian affairs?[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#390002][FONT=Verdana]How can you not be aware of my signature block which is included in all of my 2000 posts???? Do you want me to copy and paste my signature block into the body of my post in addition to having it there as a signature block? Will that help you notice it? How about you just look at the read writing directly below?[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Vangelovski,

Your answer for the solution was merely a dogmatic and what you ask for all this time long is just a pure national indocrination where we all are expected not to question or critically examine the dogma.

I asked for a PRACTICAL solutions, presuming we already have enough big critical mase to employ their own affairs.

The same thing Makedonin continuously asked from you as well but you as always failed to give.

Until you provide such practical solution, you're not only not authorized to evaluate the solutions of others but you aren't being of a real usage for the Cause as well.

Bratot 12-14-2010 02:39 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;82866]Exactly, I am not neutral ... I am pro-Macedonian and am viewing your responses rather negatively at the moment.
That is why I was asking you.[/QUOTE]

Then it's about a time you think how your 'hot potatoes' are viewed by the majority of Macedonians when you attach such exclusive right to yourself to be the arbitary.

Vangelovski 12-14-2010 02:57 AM

Bratot,

A moral revolution is a necessary pre-condition for any national liberation. It is not merely ideological indoctrination, but rather an awakening and acceptance by individuals of their rights and responsibilities as a human beings.

I challenge you to name one example of a national liberation where the people concerned [B]did not[/B] believe they deserved to determine their own affairs. It is the most fundamental aspect of any national liberation and impossible without it. You either cannot understand what every successful national liberation movement has achieved and how they achieved it, or you're just playing stupid.

Regardless, here is a quick "practical" check list for YOU:

1. Understand that you are a human being.
2. Realise that you have inalienable natural rights and corresponding responsibilities.
3. Exercise your natural rights and meet your responsibilities.

How about YOU try those 3 simple steps?

You forgot to tell us what YOU believe the Macedonian cause is and WHO you believe should tell the Macedonians what to think and feel, seeing as you do not believe the Macedonians should determine their own affairs.

Bratot 12-14-2010 03:14 AM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;82871]Bratot,

A moral revolution is a necessary pre-condition for any national liberation. It is not merely ideological indoctrination, but rather an awakening and acceptance by individuals of their rights and responsibilities as a human beings.

I challenge you to name one example of a national liberation where the people concerned [B]did not[/B] believe they deserved to determine their own affairs. It is the most fundamental aspect of any national liberation and impossible without it. [B]You either cannot understand what every successful national liberation movement has achieved and how they achieved it, or you're just playing stupid.[/B]
Regardless, here is a quick "practical" check list for YOU:

1. Understand that you are a human being.
2. Realise that you have inalienable natural rights and corresponding responsibilities.
3. Exercise your natural rights and meet your responsibilities.

How about YOU try those 3 simple steps?

You forgot to tell us what YOU believe the Macedonian cause is and WHO you believe should tell the Macedonians what to think and feel, [B]seeing as you do not believe the Macedonians should determine their own affairs[/B]. [/QUOTE]

Once again, you go round and round and round with the standard insinuations. It's boring.

How about you FINALY show us how will you achieve that moral revolution, how will you teach our people to:
1. Understand that THEY are a human being.
2. Realise that THEY have inalienable natural rights and corresponding responsibilities.
3. Exercise THEIR natural rights and meet THEIR responsibilities.

This is the one thing you continuously missing to point out, but enjoy to theorise what we need.

Vangelovski 12-14-2010 03:19 AM

[quote=Bratot;82875]Once again, you go round and round and round with the standard insinuations. It's boring.

How about you FINALY show us how will you achieve that moral revolution, how will you teach our people to:
1. Understand that THEY are a human being.
2. Realise that THEY have inalienable natural rights and corresponding responsibilities.
3. Exercise THEIR natural rights and meet THEIR responsibilities.

This is the one thing you continuously missing to point out, but enjoy to theorise what we need.[/quote]

Bratot,

Please do not consider yourself typical of the average human being. People usually understand these basic issues when they are explained to them. You on the other hand...

I've also made my views on this quite clear many times. We can only win people over one by one and it will take a very very long time to do so. In fact, this began over 150 years ago, I and others on this forum are simply continuing what our predecessors started. YOU on the other hand are resisting this very movement and promoting YOUR ideologically flawed assumptions and view that the Macedonian people CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be free to determine their own affairs, thereby working to stifle a moral revolution, the necessary precursor to any liberation.

Bratot 12-14-2010 03:34 AM

Vangelovski,

you still didn't provide the practical solution how to win people over... and having said that, you are far from continuing what our predecessors started.

You actually fit in what Jehovah's Witnesses activity looks like when stoping people on the streets.

Risto the Great 12-14-2010 04:07 AM

[QUOTE=Bratot;82868]Then it's about a time you think how your 'hot potatoes' are viewed by the majority of Macedonians when you attach such exclusive right to yourself to be the arbitary.[/QUOTE]

Bratot, you reject the interim accord but do not reject the consequences arising from it.

Bratot 12-14-2010 04:28 AM

Risto,

you created a new thread, thus don't delute this thread with your favorite phrases.

Soldier of Macedon 12-14-2010 04:32 AM

Bratot, what exactly do you disagree with in your views with RtG? Is it the approach? The means? The end? I really want to understand your point of view here.


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