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Razer 07-01-2012 03:56 AM

I think many mistakes were done back in 2001, in the Ohrid treaty, and we see the results of them today. Article 7, Point 1 for example - grading Albanian as an official language. This opened pandora's box for the Albanisation. The Macedonian army should have crushed all those terrorists back then.

Volk 07-01-2012 05:58 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;129987]And the Serbs will do exactly what to help Macedonia?[/QUOTE]

by stopping official independence of kosovo, they are indirectly helping Macedonia due to the domino effect.

Vangelovski 07-01-2012 07:55 AM

[QUOTE=Volk;130044]by stopping official independence of kosovo, they are indirectly helping Macedonia due to the domino effect.[/QUOTE]Volk, you obviously haven't noticed, because you get all of your information off the back of a beer label, but the Albanians in Macedonia are doing what they are independently of Kosovo. There is no domino effect.

Risto the Great 07-01-2012 05:19 PM

[QUOTE=Volk;130044]by stopping official independence of kosovo, they are indirectly helping Macedonia due to the domino effect.[/QUOTE]Macedonia is officially FYROM. I think too much is read into officialism. Kosovo is well and truly Albanian and I feel sorry for Serbians who came from the region but I don't feel sorry for Serbia about it. Just because it officially isn't independent is quite irrelevant. Macedonia is already dealing with Kosovar institutions and it is obvious that the ethnic Albanians of Macedonia are driving this.

Serbia has nothing to do with this process and I feel sorry for Macedonians who still think they need the Serbian teat. Actually I am angry with them. They have let Macedonia go to the dogs with no signs of redemption whatsoever.

Volk 07-02-2012 06:47 AM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;130056]Volk, you obviously haven't noticed, because you get all of your information off the back of a beer label, but the Albanians in Macedonia are doing what they are independently of Kosovo. There is no domino effect.[/QUOTE]

Shows your understanding of the dynamics.. They are coordinated although there is tension even with them.

Or did you forget about the masses of UCK fighters crossing the borders in 2001, or is that something that you missed during your 'expert analysis'.

[QUOTE]Macedonia is officially FYROM. I think too much is read into officialism. Kosovo is well and truly Albanian and I feel sorry for Serbians who came from the region but I don't feel sorry for Serbia about it. Just because it officially isn't independent is quite irrelevant. Macedonia is already dealing with Kosovar institutions and it is obvious that the ethnic Albanians of Macedonia are driving this.

Serbia has nothing to do with this process and I feel sorry for Macedonians who still think they need the Serbian teat. Actually I am angry with them. They have let Macedonia go to the dogs with no signs of redemption whatsoever. [/QUOTE]

I disagree with you there, only the US, its NATO allies and EU (some still have not) have accepted Kosovo independence.

I am sure you have noticed how the global power is shifting to the east, which does not recognise Kosovo. When the US and EU fall so to will the fake Kosovar "institutions" aka mafia.

Vangelovski 07-02-2012 07:18 AM

[quote=Volk;130145]Shows your understanding of the dynamics.. They are coordinated although there is tension even with them.

Or did you forget about the masses of UCK fighters crossing the borders in 2001, or is that something that you missed during your 'expert analysis'.[/quote] A couple of hundred UCKi from Kosovo did not cause, nor does it sustain, the Albanian issue in Macedonia. But seeing as you believe there are "dynamics", perhaps you can tell us exactly what they are and how they effect the Albanian movement in Macedonia?

Risto the Great 07-02-2012 07:44 AM

So its only the US, its NATO allies and EU. OK.
Here is a question, if Russia wants to do something in Kosovo, who exactly in Serbia will it go and talk to to seek permission?

I have seen the global power in the East first hand. It reminded me of my father's selo. China will take a very long time to be a world force. Even then it will not seek to aggravate its major trading partners.

George S. 07-02-2012 08:32 AM

It's very sad for macedonia because all along it has chosen the path of comprimise & capitulation.Do people know how easy it is the uck & the ana are all waiting for the go word.Apparently this time they are better equiped & they think they got score to settle with the slav macedonian army.They are just itching to start all over.If people think this is about some uman rights they are wrong.The terorists will be fighting for territory & this time
they want the lot.Why is the time right now for escalation of violence.Because macedonia is not in the eu & not in nato.At this time i hope macedonia is building its army & police force with emphasis on specialist forces because the albanians want a total takeover.Take control & don't let others dictate to you that is if you are duty bound for the macedonian people.The uck & ana have saved their new guns ready for use next time are our forces battle ready?.How ridiculous to have an albanian terrorist in charge of defence it's just too fucking silly for words.Why is it like this because we let them do it to us.If we head the same way we as sure as hell going to lose all our country.

Čento 07-02-2012 09:45 AM

One of the biggest mistakes in Macedonia's history...

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damian 07-02-2012 09:54 AM

The war is not over...But you are right George if they haven't been preparing for the next round then they are traitors/imcompetents. Let the NATO/G-7 fall first...They should be working with Serbia and Russia/Bulgaria in the interm to prepare for that but with proper roles...


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