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Vangelovski 06-07-2011 07:56 PM

[quote=walrus335;100744]Well first of all most of the Ohrid Agreement isn't even held up.. And if this were to exist I'd guess it be a way to give Albanians more of a say. Much of the gov't is controlled by Macedonians so giving Albanians equal vote is a way for a more playing field I guess.

If you don't mind can you respond to my other posts?[/quote]Equal vote? Read the documents I just gave you before commenting any further. Denial of the truth will not be tolerated. I have already warned you.

walrus335 06-07-2011 08:02 PM

[QUOTE=Big Bad Sven;100743]If we are to talk about human rights, what about the macedonian muslims or "torbeshi" who are harassed and pressured into thinking they are albanian and force to declare that they are albanian?

What about other oppressed muslim peoples such as the Turks, roma or bosniaks in macedonia who are bullied by albanians into declaring? that they are albanian? Even the mosques in macedonia refuse to practice their services in other peoples language and only do it in albanian...

Its a known fact that the albanians have "albanicized" old turkish ottoman mosques and are placing albanian flags on them and sing them as brainwashing centers to albanicize the other muslim minorities in macedonia and to create a artificial history in macedonia in regards to a so called "centuries" presence of albanians in macedonia.

And what about the poor macedonians who live in albanian dominated areas who face albanian intimidation every day? Remember in the last referendum when albanian thugs intimidated macedonians in not voting?

For a people that like to cry fould about human rights looks like you guys seem to abuse them every day[/QUOTE]


No offense but you clearly don't know what's going on.. First of all Albanians aren't pressuring other muslims to "albanize".. Look how silly you sound.

Second Albanians have also been force to "Macedonize" as well... There use to be a large Albanian Orthodox population in Macedonia but all have seem to been converted.. Bitola use to have a thriving albanian population.

Also if the majority of the people who go to the mosque are albanian they are going to put Albanian writing and sing Albanian in the mosque. They aren't going to sing and talk in Turkish.
I can use the same argument as well.. Why don't you sing and talk turkish or greek in Churches built by the Ottomans or Byzatine empires?

Albanians during the yugo days were forced to declare as turkish or some other type of ethnic group to decrease their numbers. This could be seen in the mass deportations of Albanians to Turkey and other countries.

walrus335 06-07-2011 08:03 PM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;100748]Equal vote? Read the documents I just gave you before commenting any further. Denial of the truth will not be tolerated. I have already warned you.[/QUOTE]

I didn't even read your post while I posted so please calm down..

DirtyCodingHabitz 06-07-2011 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;100726]What a stupid and irrelevant retort. Been using that one since primary school, have we? Or are you trying to waste our time?[/QUOTE]

SoM, can't you see how this thread is turning into junk mail? this is the type of activity they do, trashing threads on forums, misleading people, and then new arguments in every post. Remember the good old days when this thread was straight on topic? now how many pages have we created by arguing with trolls?

Don't bother arguing with them because it's endless.

walrus335 06-07-2011 09:06 PM

[QUOTE=DirtyCodingHabitz;100765]SoM, can't you see how this thread is turning into junk mail? this is the type of activity they do, trashing threads on forums, misleading people, and then new arguments in every post. [B]Remember the good old days when this thread was straight on topic?[/B] now how many pages have we created by arguing with trolls?

Don't bother arguing with them because it's endless.[/QUOTE]

Straight on topic like blaming albanians for all the problems in Macedonia? Doesn't it get a bit repetitive with everyone claiming the albanians did this and that?

El Bre 06-07-2011 09:25 PM

[QUOTE=walrus335;100732]If I'm not mistake Gruevski's grandparents were from Greece and his grand father fought for the greek army.. I can say the same about Macedonians can I not?[/QUOTE]

Actually, no you can't. Gruevski's grandparents were Macedonians, who moved from one part of Macedonia to another part of Macedonia.

Now if they moved from Macedonia and went to Kosovo, then your poor analogy might make sense.

DirtyCodingHabitz 06-07-2011 09:37 PM

[QUOTE=walrus335;100771]Straight on topic like blaming albanians for all the problems in Macedonia? Doesn't it get a bit repetitive with everyone claiming the albanians did this and that?[/QUOTE]

Like I said, endless argument.

:ban:

Risto the Great 06-07-2011 10:16 PM

[QUOTE=walrus335;100744]Well first of all most of the Ohrid Agreement isn't even held up.. And if this were to exist I'd guess it be a way to give Albanians more of a say. Much of the gov't is controlled by Macedonians so giving Albanians equal vote is a way for a more playing field I guess.

If you don't mind can you respond to my other posts?[/QUOTE]

Your posts were not directed at me. I have no major desire to help you with your jaunt here. I think you seriously should address the reverse discrimination that applies to the benefit of ethnic Albanians in Macedonia.

You now know it is not an equal vote. What is your comment about this? What is any reasonable ethnic Albanian's comment about this?

julie 06-08-2011 12:59 AM

[QUOTE=walrus335;100721]Someone piss in your cereal this morning?

First of all you probably have never been to Macedonia so I'm not going to take any input from you on the country..

Yea go blame the Albanians for the problem that exists in the country.. Everyone needs a scapegoat.[/QUOTE]


firstly, you are pissing on my forum.
secondly, its irrelevant my trips to Macedonia
Thirdly, fuck, yea, am blaming the Albanians for their territorial aspirations and problems in my country
Go piss on your own cereal you degenerate scum

walrus335 06-08-2011 06:42 PM

[QUOTE=julie;100812]firstly, you are pissing on my forum.
secondly, its irrelevant my trips to Macedonia
Thirdly, fuck, yea, am blaming the Albanians for their territorial aspirations and problems in my country
Go piss on your own cereal you degenerate scum[/QUOTE]


Why so mad? Albanians don't want territorial aspirations they just want some rights. Don't get all mad at me after all this is just an internet forum calm down.


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