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Soldier of Macedon 01-24-2009 10:10 PM

TerraNova, I advise you to stop wasting people's time and answer Makedonin's question. You weren't missed nor will you be if you continue to show how worthless you are.

Soldier of Macedon 01-25-2009 01:20 AM

[QUOTE=makedonin;10088]it is Albanian feature the change of the "L" character to "R" character. It is very frequent one with very low rate.

It is noticed in Macedonian, Bulgar in Serb only as isolated feature.

My guess, either it is a local Macedonian change (bastardation) or it is an Albanian one.[/QUOTE]
Can you give us some examples of which words?

Soldier of Macedon 01-25-2009 01:32 AM

Slovak,

What are your thoughts on the Sarmatae/Sauromatae? Do you agree with the apparent Iranian origin of the people and the actual name itself? Any other suggestions about what the name of the Sauromatae could mean?

Reading an article about them recently I wondered if their name of Sauromatae could be related to Slavic 'Severmatia' (Northern Motherland), probably a long shot, but I would like your opinion on it as I have read that the Sauromatae were considered Slavic by some people, that they shared much with people named Scythians, Thracians and Dacians, and furthermore, they occupied the lands where the East Slavs are found.

Here is some light reference from wikipedia:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians[/url]

Soldier of Macedon 01-25-2009 02:50 AM

Check 'Ziggurat':

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziggurat[/url]

[B][I]A ziggurat (Akkadian ziqqurrat, D-stem of zaqāru "to build on a raised area")................. [/I][/B]


Are there any links with 'Gorod' from the Phrygian and Slavic languages?

Delodephius 01-25-2009 03:55 AM

I think Salvic speakers were definitely a part of the Sarmatian tribes in the western part of the territory. In the northern parts the Baltic and the Uralic people also constituted a significant part. We must not make a mistake to think of the Sarmatians or the Scythians as an ethnic group but more as a mutli-ethnic class society, a faction of sort, where different ethnicities existed side by side both horizontally and vertically.

Soldier of Macedon 01-25-2009 04:18 AM

Slovak, taking into consideration the multi-ethnic character of the Scythians, would you find the following description accurate:

West Scythia: Largely (but not exclusively) Slavic

Central Scythia: Largely (but not exclusively) Iranian

East Scythia: Largely (but not exclusively) Turkic


What do you think?

Delodephius 01-25-2009 07:04 AM

That is pretty much accurate, but I would add Northern Scythia as largely Uralic and Southern Scythia as primarily Iranian and Caucasian. Of course there would be a mixing of all these groups in certain points in place and hierarchy, like for example that there would a Scythian general of Slavic descent with his deputy of Iranian and the army made of Turkic and Uralic warriors going to battle in the Balkans.

The steppe people that came to Europe were not all Tataric as is many time thought by the uneducated. We of course take the highest class into consideration here: the Scythians were Iranian, the Huns were Turkic, the Avars were Caucasian, the Bulgars were Iranian, the Magyars were/are Uralic. And all these ethnic groups were very different in language, culture and religion. And if we look at the lower classes and in time also the higher classes, the ethnic make up of their societies is a bit over-colourful.

Soldier of Macedon 01-25-2009 07:08 AM

That's what some of the archaeological finds seem to indicate, that burials and graves demonstrate a multi-layer of cultural elements.

I am sure you have seen it, some of the Scythian sites found on Russian territory and the items extracted are absolutely stunning and magnificent, surely not from an uncultured people.

Delodephius 01-25-2009 07:43 AM

Scythians were a very advanced civilization. Many of their technological advances primarily in the field of building and architecture were adopted by the Mycenaeans and Hittites. Scythians on the other hand received further knowledge in metallurgy and perfected it.
I suppose you have seen this picture of Scythian soldiers made according to the archaeological knowledge:
[IMG]http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/Theyetiking/Scythians.jpg[/IMG]

Or this one:
[IMG]http://www.spartanwarband.com/albums/modernart/Scythians.sized.jpg[/IMG]

Delodephius 01-25-2009 07:58 AM

The best known supporter of the idea that Scyhians (at least Western Scythians) were a Proto-Slavic people was Boris Rybakov:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Rybakov[/url]
[QUOTE]Rybakov held a chair in Russian history at the Moscow University since 1939, was a deputy dean of the university in 1952-54, and administered the Russian History Institute for 40 years.[/QUOTE]


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