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Helvetia 09-20-2011 10:12 AM

Hi all, new poster here. To answer this thread's quesetion, personally I think we should do a better job assimilating Albanians into Macedonian society. We should convince them to call themselves Macedonian instead of Albanian. We should convince them to favor Macedonian jazik over Albanian jazik. They are racially similar, yet very different culturally but it doesn't mean we can't convince them to be good Macedonians and proud citizens of our country. I know my opinion is probably uncommon and somewhat radical but I think our country will be a lot better if we could get them to be proud Macedonians and turn our country into more like Switzerland where everyone are proud Swiss even though they speak four different languages in that country.

Valmir 09-20-2011 10:16 AM

[QUOTE=Helvetia;109715]Hi all, new poster here. To answer this thread's quesetion, personally I think we should do a better job assimilating Albanians into Macedonian society. We should convince them to call themselves Macedonian instead of Albanian. We should convince them to favor Macedonian jazik over Albanian jazik. They are racially similar, yet very different culturally but it doesn't mean we can't convince them to be good Macedonians and proud citizens of our country. I know my opinion is probably uncommon and somewhat radical but I think our country will be a lot better if we could get them to be proud Macedonians and turn our country into more like Switzerland where everyone are proud Swiss even though they speak four different languages in that country.[/QUOTE]

You had this chance long long time ago, but now its gone i think!

Helvetia 09-20-2011 10:22 AM

[QUOTE=Valmir;109716]You had this chance long long time ago, but now its gone i think![/QUOTE]

I don't think an opportunity is ever gone. Eventually relations between the both of us will be reconciled. We will see the eventual merging of two peoples into a single Macedonian identity and that's nothing bad.

Zarni 09-20-2011 11:23 AM

It takes some time but the heartfelt view always comes spewing out. So what continues to be your reasoning for Albanians not to wanting to assimilate into Macedonian Society, be proud of the Country they live in and fight for the Interests of the Macedonian State first and foremost?
Do you think Macedonians need to be endlessly patient with Macedonian-Albanians deciding whether they want to be part of Macedonia’s Future and never showing any reason we can have confidence and trust in you the imperative is with you

George S. 09-20-2011 04:07 PM

i never heard so much bs.As long as the two sides are divided there will be nothing in common.Whils't the macedonians are ready willing & able the albanians are not.You are all dreaming that will never come about.The albanians want secession rights their long term goal is connect with kosovo & albania.Their is no about face activity as far as we know.

Zarni 09-20-2011 05:34 PM

And what in the past has Macedonian Society commited that has installed so much of sepratist and segratated view to be held by Albanians and now after that infamous Ohrid accord were Albanians took up arms against our country and achived almost all thier goals we really can expect one desire by the Albanians.

Helvetia 09-20-2011 07:27 PM

[QUOTE=Zarni;109718]It takes some time but the heartfelt view always comes spewing out. So what continues to be your reasoning for Albanians not to wanting to assimilate into Macedonian Society, be proud of the Country they live in and fight for the Interests of the Macedonian State first and foremost?
Do you think Macedonians need to be endlessly patient with Macedonian-Albanians deciding whether they want to be part of Macedonia’s Future and never showing any reason we can have confidence and trust in you the imperative is with you[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying it will happen overnight but it WILL happen no matter what Albanians might do. As the economic situation in Macedonia gets better, more and more of them will feel comforable to call themselves Macedonian. Poor economy is the only reason why extreme nationalism in the Balkans is still alive.

TrueMacedonian 09-20-2011 07:31 PM

[QUOTE=Helvetia;109729]I'm not saying it will happen overnight but it WILL happen no matter what Albanians might do. As the economic situation in Macedonia gets better, more and more of them will feel comforable to call themselves Macedonian. [B]Poor economy is the only reason why extreme nationalism in the Balkans is still alive[/B].[/QUOTE]

Greece's economy was once thriving and even booming a bit and nationalism remained high (as well as the paranoia and hysteria that comes with it). In my opinion that statement is not accurate.

Helvetia 09-20-2011 07:46 PM

[QUOTE=TrueMacedonian;109730]Greece's economy was once thriving and even booming a bit and nationalism remained high (as well as the paranoia and hysteria that comes with it). In my opinion that statement is not accurate.[/QUOTE]

Well, the Greeks have a different sort of mentality. They're still dreaming about the Megali idea everyday. They're bitter about the Turks defeating them in the 1923 war. It's been by large a barrier for them to put behind Balkan nationalism and start building good relations with neighboring countries. Well, it's not like their country is something to be proud of. Nepotism runs rampant in Greece, to the point of crippling the nation's economy because so many incompetent Greeks are appointed to important positions.

There was one time when I met a nice Greek lady on the internet. I pretended to be someone else, became friends with her (purely out of curiosity) then one afternoon I decided to tell her that I am actually Macedonian and I identify as such, and then she started calling me names, Monkeydonian and such. I think it's really sad, how the Greeks can be so hateful and embittered over our identity.

TrueMacedonian 09-20-2011 07:57 PM

[QUOTE=Helvetia;109731]Well, the Greeks have a different sort of mentality. They're still dreaming about the Megali idea everyday. They're bitter about the Turks defeating them in the 1923 war. It's been by large a barrier for them to put behind Balkan nationalism and start building good relations with neighboring countries. Well, it's not like their country is something to be proud of. Nepotism runs rampant in Greece, to the point of crippling the nation's economy because so many incompetent Greeks are appointed to important positions.

There was one time when I met a nice Greek lady on the internet. I pretended to be someone else, became friends with her (purely out of curiosity) then one afternoon I decided to tell her that I am actually Macedonian and I identify as such, and then she started calling me names, Monkeydonian and such. I think it's really sad, how the Greeks can be so hateful and embittered over our identity.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

As far as Albanians are concerned the Islamic fundamentalism that runs rampant in Western Macedonia will be the disease to further ultra-nationalism in the Albanian community. Greeks use Christian Orthodoxy and the Albanians in Macedonia and Kosovo use Islam to further generate bogus ideas that either people have something in common with antiquity. In fact I am of the opinion that both peoples have more in common with themselves than any Pelasgians or Hellenes.
Popping the Islamic pimple in Macedonia and a proper education would drastically reduce nationalism among the Albanians.


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