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DirtyCodingHabitz 11-29-2011 11:57 PM

[QUOTE=Big Bad Sven;115663]Macedonians are a joke. They are too scared to stand up for their rights and walk on egg shells because they dont want to upset any one.

Macedonians have a chance to save their country and stand up for their basic rights and dignity, but they are too busy enjoying the good life taking holidays to greece with their bulgarian passports and collection of black market serbian pop music cds.

Long live Fyrom, the switzerland of the balkans[/QUOTE]

Are you Macedonian? why would you say "Macedonians are a joke"?

Big Bad Sven 11-30-2011 12:04 AM

[QUOTE=DirtyCodingHabitz;115666]Are you Macedonian? why would you say "Macedonians are a joke"?[/QUOTE]

Because we let a minority of 17% of the country push us around, break our rules, treat us like shit and rub it in our faces and we do nothing about it, but just complain about those damn shiptars who have easy government jobs even though they haven't even completed high school?

Because more then a 100 thousand of our people have bulgarian passports and declare that they and their ancestors are bulgarians, all in the great purpose of going to Sofia to get a z-grade degree, purchase some fancy car for a few grand cheaper, or to "travel"

Because we accepted the ventilator with out a whimper, not eve a vote or referendum to let the people decide what our flag should be, i.e. it was imposed on us?

Because we cant use symbols or names for our ancient heroes (see the latest statues debacle) because we "agree" that these terms,names and symbols are exclusively greek, we dont want to upset the greeks now do we.

Want me to go on?

Big Bad Sven 11-30-2011 12:07 AM

At least the serbs are still fighting in kosovo, they refuse albanization unlike the piss weak macedonians. The serbs are still going strong in bosnia as well...


2 NATO peacekeepers wounded in Kosovo
By ZVEZDAN DJUKANOVIC | AP 12 mins ago....

ZUBIN POTOK, Kosovo (AP) Two NATO soldiers were shot and wounded in clashes with Serbs on Monday after the peacekeepers fired rubber bullets and water canons and used heavy machinery to remove trucks and buses that were being used to block a main road in Kosovo's ethnically tense north, an official said.

One soldier was shot in the shoulder and the other in the leg, said NATO spokesman Maj. Dan Harvey.

At least two injured Serb demonstrators were carried by medical workers to a nearby hospital, an AP reporter at the scene said.

In addition to the rubber bullets and water canons, the German and Austrian peacekeepers fired tear gas and pepper spray to disperse the crowd of Serb protesters trying to stop the soldiers from removing the roadblock.

Harvey said the soldiers are now instructed to fire live if they come under attack.

For months Serbs have used soil, rock and concrete barriers to block any such move but NATO has threatened to remove them because it cut off land supply to a military base in the north.

The Serbs fear the removal of the roadblock will pave the way for Kosovo authorities to extend their authority in the Serb-dominated northern area and blame NATO for helping ethnic Albanian institutions in their plan.

Tensions in Kosovo's north rose over the summer when Kosovo authorities ordered special police units to set up customs on two border crossings with Serbia. Serbs responded by setting one of them on fire and blocking roads.

On Tuesday more than 20 Portuguese and Hungarian soldiers were injured in a similar operation, one of them seriously.

Serbs want to keep the border open because they consider Kosovo to be part of Serbia, while ethnic Albanians want the customs to operate as part of its claim to statehood following the 2008 secession from Serbia.

Big Bad Sven 11-30-2011 12:22 AM

[QUOTE=Niko777;115364]On another issue.... Is it a coincidence the largest investments in the healthcare sector in Macedonian history are taking place in Tetovo and Gostivar? For example, did you know that the Tetovo hospital was completely renovated, including the facade, and that a brand new wing was built? And today, Gruevski has announced a 1.5 million euro investment for the Gostivar hospital. Investments in healthcare is good, but why not invest in a regional hospital in eastern Macedonia or in southern Macedonia? Why are all of the government investments always in Gostivar-Tetovo-Skopje?

New wing of the Tetovo hospital:

[IMG]http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac136/AmonRa_01/P030910_1011.jpg[/IMG]

1.5 million euro investment for the Gostivar hospital:

[IMG]http://www.mia.com.mk/image1.jsp?slikaid=88990266&imgType=n[/IMG][/QUOTE]

You need to laugh at how shiptars cry that they have it tough in macedonia and that they are isolated, not cared about, dont get funding etc.... what a load of bull shit.

The shiptars get special rights and privileges, they are untouchable and can break any rule they want.

The fact that a minority of only 17% gets special treatment and more funding and support then the majority is a joke itself. Places like Stip, Veles and even Bitola have been forgotten in the last 20 years, from memory Tetovo and even Gostivar have been looked after pretty good.

But the shiptars will keep complaining and the Macedonians will keep apologizing and shining their shoes

Big Bad Sven 11-30-2011 12:29 AM

[QUOTE=Soldier of Macedon;115381]BBS, why do you feel the need to tar the Macedonian Muslims with the same brush? They're not all like you describe above. I have a good friend that lives here in Australia who is Macedonian Muslim and has family in Macedonia and he/they feel equally sad about the Albanianisation of Macedonia. Also, it's not like Macedonian Christians have always been the most accomodating towards them either, in fact, sometimes the ignorant peanuts among us actually push them into the arms of encroaching Albanian extremists.[/QUOTE]

Not all are bad, but from my past experiences with them, the hyper-inflated population figure of albanians due to albanians "buying out" torbeshi, stories i have heard or read about, and the fact that some of their politicians are wanting to make a new identity in macedonia called "torbeshi" (where they think they are not macedonia) kind of makes me give up on them.

I agree a lot of our hard core and orthodox fanatical lunatics did make them feel like out casts, but i would rather be bit of a outcast in my society then completely "morph" into a albanian just to "fit in".

I personally dream of a day when torbeshi accept that they are macedonians and we christian macedonians accept them as well and we are united against shiptar nationalism, but with politics that dont have macedonia's best intrests at heart, a population that doesnt care, and people from saudi arabia causing trouble in macedonia, it doesnt seem likely.

United MKD 11-30-2011 03:21 AM

I'm glad all this is happening, the burning of our flag, the greater albania graffiti etc etc I hope it continues and ramps up its pace all over the west specifically in Skopje, maybe then, MAYBE the Macedonians might decide to do something? I still highly doubt it.

Risto the Great 11-30-2011 03:44 AM

[QUOTE=United MKD;115683]I'm glad all this is happening, the burning of our flag, the greater albania graffiti etc etc I hope it continues and ramps up its pace all over the west specifically in Skopje, maybe then, MAYBE the Macedonians might decide to do something? I still highly doubt it.[/QUOTE]

Then the Macedonians will say, those Albos are crazy ... they want it more than us ... its not worth losing our lives over this. We better move to Bulgaria.

Bill77 11-30-2011 03:48 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;115687]Then the Macedonians will say, those Albos are crazy ... they want it more than us ... its not worth losing our lives over this. We better move to Bulgaria.[/QUOTE]Is this a classic case of patriotism coming second to existence? :001_tongue:

Risto the Great 11-30-2011 03:51 AM

[QUOTE=Bill77;115688]Is this a classic case of patriotism coming second to existence? :001_tongue:[/QUOTE]
I think (after all the chest beating) .... "existence" will win for the majority of all people.

MKPrilep 11-30-2011 06:01 AM

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