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Big Bad Sven 02-03-2012 01:06 AM

Have you guys seen this article about the church burnings:

[url]http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/ethnic-tensions-surge-in-macedonian-town[/url]

Look at the comments below, they are racist towards macedonians, but i find them funny because the shiptars are talking about how the macedonian government is anti-albanian, and this was a stunt set up by the government. One of the posters even said that all of macedonia's neighbours had to follow the rule while macedonia was a rogue nation doing what ever it wanted with no consequences lol
I think these people will forever be "victims" and always want more "rights".


Anyway i brought this up because there was one really interesting post from some one, and i think he might be from the prespa region, and perhaps torbesh.This was his response:






"All of you, even the people who wrote the article on the
website have seriously misjudged and omitted certain information. Anyone who has been to the Struga region or is from nearby regions, will know and will
tell you that the village of Labunisht is populated by a majority of MUSLIM MACEDONIANS and a minority of Macedonian Christians- (no Albanians apart from a
few women who have married there!). The same is true of Borovec, Podgorce and Oktis. All of these villages including a large minority of people (about a 1000
people declaring themselves as 'Turks' in the last census) residing in Struga town are very religious. They can easily be distinguished by their outward appearance of Islamic clothing and their Macedonian speech. (Most do not speak or know how to speak Albanian, and only some children have started to learn the language after the opening of Albanian schools in those villages about a decade
ago). A lot of them make fun of Albanians who they consider as not following the proper rules of Islam as women wear short skirts, while men drink alcohol and so on. The only reason why the article had the word ‘Albanian’ and ‘Labunisht’ are in the same sentence, is that in the 2002 census, Ali Ahmeti after a visit
to the village used Islamic symbolism regarding the Labunishtars being mosque builders and suppling many a village with an imam in times past, convinced, though not wholly, that they should declare themselves 'Albanians' in the census out of Islamic solidarity (it was the first time that they ever did so, -prior to that it was either ‘Turk’ or Macedonian).

However only half or about 2000 people did so with the
others still declaring themselves as Macedonians or like with the other 3 villages or those in Struga town declaring themselves as 'Turks'. Most Macedonian speaking Muslims have declared themselves as ‘Turks’ and want nothing to do with the Christian Macedonian majority of their ethnic group, because the Christian Macedonians often label these Macedonian Muslims as 'traitors' and 'Turks' due to their faith. And since the majority has always put inference
toward national belonging as being Christian first, most Torbesh as they are also known declare themselves as 'Turks' and express this dissatisfaction being overtly religious even to differentiate themselves from the lax Albanian
Muslims who built a statue of mother Teresa in the centre of town next to the crumbling Partisan monument). And despite the efforts of some Albanians to convince them to declare themselves as Albanians, most Muslim Macedonians still declare themselves as Turks whether it is in the Diber or Karshiaka region of Shkup. Labunisht has been and is the only village where Macedonian Muslims have labelled themselves as Albanians in most of the censuses undertaken thus far in
Macedonia. Also Labunisht and Vecan are village rivals in an economic sense
too. Most Albanians in the area too perceive them as non Albanians, but recognise them as co-religionists. This article should examine why many Macedonian Muslims perceive Macedonian identity as non-applicable to them when they members of the same ethnic group, but just of different faiths. This incident was an internal Macedonian on Macedonian incident and should be
treated as such. It is not a Albanian on Macedonian incident as im sure many a racist will come out saying !"


Im not sure how reliable his word is, but if infact the people who protested with the saudi flags were torbeshi, and worse case scenario if they were involved with the church burnings, then i think we have truly lost them to the macedonian cause

Big Bad Sven 02-03-2012 01:10 AM

[QUOTE=Niko777;119118][SIZE="4"][color="red"][b]Unbelievable! The Albanians have burned down our church!!! [/b][/color]
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[B]This week 10,000 Macedonians gathered in Skopje's main square to welcome back the Euro-handball players. Let's see how many will gather to protest this barbaric act...[/B][/QUOTE]

Hey Niko, did the macedonians ever do something about their church getting burned down, or were they watching handball replays?

You mentioned a possible large protest in struga by macedonians? Did this ever happen :)

Big Bad Sven 02-03-2012 01:16 AM

[QUOTE=Bill77;119266][B][SIZE="3"]Islamic Radicals in Struga creating problems [/SIZE][/B]
Tuesday, 31 January 2012

A cell of wahabis and islamic fundamentalists is at the core of a protest which led to burning of a Macedonian flag which was then replaced by a Saudi(?) flag.
The reason for this protest as the city's mayor said is the Vevcani Carnival which had offended muslims in the area.

The mayor himself, Ramiz Merko is seen by many as a radical muslim with police sources pointing to him as the organizer of this weekend protest.
It all started when an intoxicated ethnic Albanian went to a bookstore and purchased a Macedonian flag and then burned it in front of the county headquarters. Money well spent.
What happened after was certainly not spontaneous. Dozen cars showed up packed with people to protest the arrest of the intoxicated Albanian, but at the same time started protesting the Vevcani Carnival?

Many of the protesters had lengthy beards, shouted slogans "Death to Christians", something you would see in Saudi Arabia. To complete the shocking image, one of the protesters pulled out a green flag and posted it on the county flag pole.
It took police 45 minutes to realize the flag was Saudi, a flag our MINA correspondent says can not be purchased in Macedonia, because shops simply don't carry it.

The mayor, Ramiz Merko defended the islamic radicals who shouted "Death to Christians" by demanding apology from the Vevcani mayor for insulting their feelings.
According to Merko, Christians don't have feelings, it's only muslims who have them.
The wahabi sect in Macedonia is getting increasingly dangerous. The CIA and Interpol have both warned Macedonian police to keep a close eye on the increasing number of wahabis.
The wahabis have spread in huge numbers to Bosnia, Serbia, Bulgaria and Montenegro. Bosnia for instance, although considered a muslim country, has arrested the head of their wahabi sect just a week ago. According to the Bosnian Government, the wahabis were very dangerous!

Europe has also taken notice. Holland, France, Belgium... have all banned muslim burqas despite having large muslim populations.
In Macedonia, it's been confirmed on numerous occasions by police, media, banks... that the Saudis are paying wahabi radicals (ethnic Albanians) in the country 300 euros per month to force their women to wear burqas and spread their radical views to locals. Interestinly, Albania's large Catholic population does not want to have ties with ethnic Albanians in Macedonia and Kosovo due to their islamic radicalization!

Perhaps it's high time Macedonia takes CIA's and Interpol's warnings seriously, arrest mayor Ramiz Merko as he has been at the forefront of encouraging islamic radicals for a decade. //Gorazd Velkovski

[url]http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/20230/1/[/url][/QUOTE]

I hate the Saudi's with a passion, they along with Qatar and other greedy gulf nations is what is ruining islam and giving it a bad name. Hopefully if Iran ever gets into a war with the USA's proxy allies Saudi Arabia or Qatar, it bombs the shit out of them :)

Its funny because for the past 20 or so years we had the likes of Komita and other paranoid greeks and serbs talking about how Turkey was going to take over the balkans with fanatical islam leading the way, when in reality it was Saudi Arabia quietly and slowly doing things in the back ground. Funny how things work out in the end :)

Big Bad Sven 02-03-2012 01:47 AM

[QUOTE=Komita;119154]Dont worry it's the work of greeks, bulgarians and serbs, maybe some srbomans they are our true enemies this is just fale rumours so they can destroy our sozivot.[/QUOTE]

The funny thing is that Dora bakoyannis used to invite Ali Ahmeti over to Greece to have fancy dinner dates when ever the shiptars and grks wanted to show more pressure towards macedonia....

Another sensation story is that their are rumors that Ljubche Geiorgievski and has bugaroman scum used the 2001 "cival war" as a way to divide macedonia between albania and bulgaria, its even been reported that he proposed this idea to the shiptars in macedonia. I would bet bulgaria was also in the background working a few things.

And finally who can ever forget the class tale of the serbs giving us a early Christmas present of hundreds of thousands of shiptar refugees.

For nations that claim to hate the albanians, they seem to have a good working history when it comes to the destabilization of macedonia

Orovnichanec 02-03-2012 01:52 AM

[QUOTE=Big Bad Sven;119434].
And finally who can ever forget the class tale of the serbs giving us a early Christmas present of hundreds of thousands of shiptar refugees.
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Not defending any of our neighbors, but this has more to do with our own stupidity.

lavce pelagonski 02-03-2012 07:55 AM

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Niko777 02-03-2012 01:06 PM

[QUOTE=Big Bad Sven;119432]Hey Niko, did the macedonians ever do something about their church getting burned down, or were they watching handball replays?

You mentioned a possible large protest in struga by macedonians? Did this ever happen :)[/QUOTE]

I don't think there was any protest on behalf of the Macedonians, there were however 2 or 3 protests from the Albanians.

Komita 02-03-2012 07:37 PM

[QUOTE=Big Bad Sven;119433]I hate the Saudi's with a passion, they along with Qatar and other greedy gulf nations is what is ruining islam and giving it a bad name. Hopefully if Iran ever gets into a war with the USA's proxy allies Saudi Arabia or Qatar, it bombs the shit out of them :)

Its funny because for the past 20 or so years we had the likes of Komita and other paranoid greeks and serbs talking about how Turkey was going to take over the balkans with fanatical islam leading the way, when in reality it was Saudi Arabia quietly and slowly doing things in the back ground. Funny how things work out in the end :)[/QUOTE]

you and risto are obsessed with me. please grow up

United MKD 02-05-2012 08:29 AM

Осквернавена црквата Свети Кирил и Методиј во населбата Ченто

„Смрт за каури“ и пречкртан крст. Ова било испишано на фасадата од помошната просторија за крштевање на црквата Свети Кирил и Методиј во скопската населба Ченто.

Жителите утрово околу 10 часот пријавиле во полиција дека со недолични пораки бил осквернавен нивниот духовен храм. МВР трага по сторителите

[url]http://www.kanal5.com.mk/default.aspx?mId=37&egId=13&eventId=86633[/url]

Risto the Great 02-05-2012 09:53 AM

[QUOTE=Komita;119509]you and risto are obsessed with me. please grow up[/QUOTE]

Not at all. Quite the opposite when it comes to srbomani.


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