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julie 12-05-2010 01:51 PM

[QUOTE=OziMak;81101]The last post just left me deflated…why are we even bothering…who are you going to fight ant propaganda when its all state sponsored. What’s going to happen if anyone resists…the police arrest them…if they resist further…the army fights them to ensure the Albanians create the duplicity of all function of a society and government and creating a country within a country.

I really like your statement waiting for the right moment to put thing right…does that mean when they have fully established everything.

A useless pathetic people. They don’t even use the law when it is in their hands let alone later when it wont be.

If a person is too stupid to know what’s right just have a look at what the rest of the world is doing. What do other countries do…
One state flag for all including minorities
One state language
One state education system

Does only Macedonia have minorities and it is this new thing we need to figure out what to do with.
Does Australia Germany UK USA ect not have minorities. Do we see foreign state flags flying on government buildings. Does anyone have an idea why not.[/QUOTE]


Love it OziMak, excellent anology.Australia should do the same,
The government has approved it, and the people will sit and wait until its too late.
Pathetic, absolutely disgusting.
Am sick and tired of the wait, in a minute, the time is not right.
The time is right when government approves this rubbish
Australia does not have 200 minority groups flags flying on parliament house everywhere , nor the representatives in government.
Sick. Totally, fully garbage.
Just wait, wait until they are totally screwed, its utterly pathetic and abdominable. I cant palate this

Risto the Great 12-05-2010 03:21 PM

[QUOTE=OziMak;81102]I understand that sometimes its necessary to take one step back to take two steps forward…the great plan…but it is now clear the great plan is to ease the country and the people into destruction…its easier to take a sleeping pill and not wake up. I would like to know how much everyone in government is being paid for his…I’m curious to know how much or collective identity is worth.[/QUOTE]

It is the war you have when you are not having a war.
Any reminder or symbol of this oppressive assortment (and agenda) of tactics needs to be eliminated.

Mastika 12-05-2010 04:46 PM

[QUOTE=Niko777;81098]

According to the media, this [U]will[/U] be the new meeting place for the city because of its large size. This is a disgrace, the Albanian and American flags will be flown, the Albanian-language state university will have a building on the square, and let's not forget that statue of Skenderbeg. (Maybe I wouldn't have had such a big problem with the Skenderbeg statue IF THEY HAD written his name his name in MACEDONIAN, and placed a CROSS beside his name to highlight his Christian roots). Also, the square is open to future ideas like adding more statues of Albanian heroes (UCK?).[/QUOTE]

You are right 100%. It is disgraceful to have something like this built dedicated to someone who wasnt even from Macedonia and has had nothing to with the Macedonian people. And what is the American flag going to be there for?! Not to mention a few other unnecessary flags (Albanian/EU/Nato). It is a disgrace and makes me truly wonder what is happening to the motherland.

Risto the Great 12-05-2010 05:11 PM

[QUOTE=Mastika;81126]You are right 100%. It is disgraceful to have something like this built dedicated to someone who wasnt even from Macedonia and has had nothing to with the Macedonian people. And what is the American flag going to be there for?! Not to mention a few other unnecessary flags (Albanian/EU/Nato). It is a disgrace and makes me truly wonder what is happening to the motherland.[/QUOTE]

Might have to be called Nadaland soon.

Big Bad Sven 12-05-2010 09:07 PM

[QUOTE=Niko777;81098][COLOR="Red"][B][U]SKENDERBEU SQUARE - SKOPJE'S NEW SQUARE[/U][/B][/COLOR]

This project was approved by the Macedonian government:
Size: 24,000 square meters (a lot bigger than Macedonia Square)
Cost: 1 million euros
Location: 5 minute walk north-east from Macedonia square

According to the media, this [U]will[/U] be the new meeting place for the city because of its large size. This is a disgrace, the Albanian and American flags will be flown, the Albanian-language state university will have a building on the square, and let's not forget that statue of Skenderbeg. (Maybe I wouldn't have had such a big problem with the Skenderbeg statue IF THEY HAD written his name his name in MACEDONIAN, and placed a CROSS beside his name to highlight his Christian roots). Also, the square is open to future ideas like adding more statues of Albanian heroes (UCK?).

Here is the official video of the visualization. [U]Watch it carefully[/U].


[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxgGGZ4fsF4&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Sheshi Skenderbeu 3d[/url]


Izet Medziti - Mayor of Skopje municipality Cair advertising the idea for the new square:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=navdds3CTuw]YouTube - IZET MEXHITI - Spoti Skenderbeu[/url][/QUOTE]

Wow man, i have gotten pretty cynical lately because of the poor state of macedonia and macedonians and thought nothing could effect or offend me, but this actually feels like a huge kick in the balls to me.

What the hell is going on in macedonia? How can the government approve of this? They are basically SUPPORTING the albanization of our CAPITAL with our peoples money and tools/labour......

And the ironic thing is that we watched footage of macedonians whinging about the statue of alexander the great in skopje, but not a peep about the 1 MILLION EUROS used to turn skopje into the albanian disney land for shiptar nationalism!

Macedonia truely is living in some sort of backwards reality....

Big Bad Sven 12-05-2010 09:20 PM

[QUOTE=Onur;80825][FONT="Verdana"]


I think Macedonia today, pays the price of Tito`s decision to expel around ~170.000 Torbeshi and the Turks in 1950-1960s to Turkey, which changed the demographics of the country in favor of the Albanians.

[B]I posted population statistics in this thread b4;[/B]


In the end, Tito expelled the people who would never have nationalistic demands and these expulsions caused Albanians to become biggest minority but Albanians surely have these kind of demands because you have borders with Albania and Kosovo.


I had a conversation with a Turkish teacher from Macedonia last week. She is an active member of a Turkish association in Macedonia and she was on Turkish tv channels b4, spoke about the difficulties of Turkish minority in Macedonia. She said that her hometown is Debar and she studied pedagogy and education in an university in Istanbul and returned to the Macedonia again to be useful for her own people and community. She said that there is no Turkish school in Debar anymore and she had to move to Skopje to be able to work in a Turkish language school. She said that they`ve met with the education ministry in Macedonia on behalf of her association and they spoke about the Turkish schools in Bitola and Debar. When they ask about the situation of Turkish schools in these cities, the officer of education ministry blatantly answered to them like "Isn't the Turkish soup operas enough for you?".

It`s ridicules!!! and she said that the administrator in education ministry was Albanian.

So she basically said that Turkish children in Macedonia are kinda encouraged to study in Albanian because there is no Turkish schools even in Debar or in places where Turkish people still more than Albanians, there is no Turkish schools but there is Albanian one. Therefor, Turkish teacher said that they are trying to warn Turkish people to prevent sending their kids in Albanian schools and try to convince people for sending them to Macedonian one instead of Albanian and they are trying to open Turkish language courses in Debar and Bitola by hoping that it would help their desperate situation.


She also told me the falsifications of Albanian officers in the previous census. She said that Albanian officers purposely used regular pencils when they counted Torbeshi and the Turks in their home and then they erased their ethnicity mark and changed it to Albanian option with ball-point pen afterward.

She said that they are working hard for the next census in Macedonia to prevent such stuff but she said that Albanians are even deliberately trying to marry with the Turks and Torbesh, instead of other Albanians, to be able to convince them and even their family to declare themselves as Albanian in the census.

Her last words was that they are trying to keep Turkish spirit alive in Macedonia which is under huge Albanian pressure in every area. She said that Turkish community never felt such a pressure from Macedonians themselves and they are largely neglected in everywhere like it was/is only the Albanians as the minority in Macedonia but not Turks.[/FONT][/QUOTE]

Yes you make a very good point Onur, Tito expelled that large figure of torbeshi(macedonians) and turks(who have proven that they are very loyal to macedonians and maceonia).

Yet ironically Tito didnt touch a hair of the shiptars, who believe it or not where still fighting the yugoslavs after WW2 ended. I hear stories that Tito allowed more shiptars to come to macedonia when the plan of albania joining yugoslavia was in its middle stages........

Strange that Tito expelled almost all of the italians and germans (both nazi's) in croatia and slovenia but did fuck all to the albanian nazi's in macedonia.... however the true irony is that many macedonians think of tito as a "great man" even though he was the key to starting the albanianization of macedonia...

Its a real shame as to what is happening to the loyal turks of macedonia, they along with other good muslim people like the roma and bosniaks are being albanicized with the book of islam and the money of Suadi's and Egyptions. Its funny because i see a lot of similiaraties as to what is happening to the turks in terms of their religion and what happend to the macedonians because of their religion.....

The turks are being albanicized by the book of islam thanks to albanian mufti's who only speak in albanian and are nationalistic, just how macedonians a 100 years ago where srbonized/hellenized/bulgarorized thanks to grk/serb/bulgar priests and the good book of christ :)

Hence why im not so much a fan of religion these days :)

I think its pathetic that the macedonian government does nothing to help the poor turks, but if it makes you feel any better the macedonian government has never done anything to help poor macedonians who face shiptar terrorism so dont take it personally mate...

Дени 12-06-2010 06:28 AM

Just a note that the map in the schoolbook is not that of Greater Albania but of the distribution of the Gheg and Tosk dialects.

Vangelovski 12-06-2010 07:24 AM

[quote=Дени;81367]Just a note that the map in the schoolbook is not that of Greater Albania but of the distribution of the Gheg and Tosk dialects.[/quote]

I noticed that, but there aren't any Ghegs or Tosks in some of the areas it covers.

Дени 12-06-2010 09:08 AM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;81389]I noticed that, but there aren't any Ghegs or Tosks in some of the areas it covers.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps not in any great numbers, but there are certainly Albanian speakers nevertheless.

Niko777 12-06-2010 10:53 AM

[QUOTE]Just a note that the map in the schoolbook is not that of Greater Albania but of the distribution of the Gheg and Tosk dialects.[/QUOTE]

The borders of the dialects was designed to fit those of a greater Albania. For example, according to the map there are many Albanian speakers [U]east[/U] of Bitola. This is not true.


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