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  • Tomche Makedonche
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 1123

    Originally posted by VMRO View Post
    Gave the article its own thread
    “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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    • Stevce
      Member
      • Jan 2016
      • 200

      Clearly doesn't know his history. The Ohrid Archbishopric came about due to Samoil getting regonigition from the pope of the Western Roman empire. Secondly upon his death the church acted directly under Basil of Macedon. We were never really part of the Eastern Roman empire under Constantinople. Macedonia is best by independnce not joining nations or religous organisations trying to destroy them.

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      • Pelagonija
        Member
        • Mar 2017
        • 533

        Bulgarian & Macedonian church edge closer



        Zoran Zaev is happy..

        Премиерот Зоран Заев денеска ја поздрави одлуката на Бугарската православна црква да го прифати барањето на


        Interesting times in MKD..is Zaev now paying back his external supporters for helping him to gain power and saving him from prison?

        We are likely to get a new name soon, mkd to become bi national, Bulgarian minority recognised in Albania, global roaming charges dropped for mkd and BG.

        Is this a coincidence or am I just an old dinosaur who is out of touch with modernity?

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        • Tomche Makedonche
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2011
          • 1123

          Following the Macedonian Orthodox Church’s plea for help in escaping its isolation, the Bulgarian Church has set up a committee to launch talks with the rest of the Orthodox world.


          Bulgarian Bishops Agree to Lobby for Macedonian Church

          Following the Macedonian Orthodox Church’s plea for help in escaping its isolation, the Bulgarian Church has set up a committee to launch talks with the rest of the Orthodox world

          Following a meeting on Monday, the Bulgarian Orthodox Church’s Patriarchate announced that it has formed a committee to lead talks with other Orthodox churches on the status of Macedonian Orthodox Church, which remains unrecognised as a result of a long-lasting dispute with Serbian Orthodox Church.

          The move came after Macedonia’s Orthodox Church asked the Bulgarian Church to assume a form of parental authority over it.

          The Patriarchal website stated that, that following the Macedonian request, the Bulgarian Church felt it had a “sacred duty” to offer its full support for Macedonia's Orthodox Church and to advocate among the other Orthodox Churches for recognition of its canonical status.

          “The Bulgarian Orthodox Church has never been indifferent to the sufferings of Macedonian Orthodox Church,” the Bulgarian Patriarchal website wrote.

          Patriarch Neofit had restated his position that Bulgaria should support the Macedonian Church, as they are “our brothers and our people”, it added.

          However, in a Sunday interview for 24 hours newspaper, one of the appointees to the committee intended to lead the talks with other churches, Metropolitan Gavrail of Lovech, warned that if Bulgaria recognized the Macedonian Church unilaterally, “we won’t help our Macedonian brothers and will harm ourselves”.

          Earlier this month, the Macedonian Church sent an official request for the Bulgarian Church to become its “mother” Church, and so encourage its acceptance as an equal among the other Orthodox churches.

          The Macedonian Church remains unrecognized by other Orthodox Churches owing to a long-lasting dispute over its ecclesiastical independence from the Serbian Orthodox Church, to which it was formerly united.

          The two churches remain locked in conflict over the right of the Macedonian Church to be accepted as an equal to the other Orthodox churches.

          The Serbian Church, which has close ties with other Orthodox churches, has blocked recognition of the Macedonian Church ever since it unilaterally declared its “autocephaly”, or ecclesiastical independence, in the 1960s.

          The Serbian Church claims the decision was uncanonical – ecclesiastically illegal – and was pushed by Yugoslavia's then communist government for political reasons.

          The announcement from the Bulgarian Holy Synod follows pressure on the Bulgarian Church from different stakeholders.

          Last week, Bulgaria’s Patriarch discussed the letter with President Rumen Radev.

          After the meeting, they released a joint statement, agreeing that both the “Bulgarian state and the Bulgarian Church are united in their willingness to develop further and deeper the relations between Bulgaria and Macedonia”.

          On Monday morning, while the Holy Synod was discussing its position, dozens of people gathered for a silent vigil in front of the Synod headquarters in Sofia to support the bid of the Macedonian Church.

          “I hope they [the Synod] take the right path, so we can become the mother church of the Macedonian Orthodox Church. This fold is ours and we need to take care of it, as we care for our own – our Orthodox Church is theirs, too,” Milen Vrabevski, chairman of the “Bulgarian Memory” Foundation that actively supports the Macedonian bid, told a TV station.

          Defence Minister Krassimir Karakachanov also commented on the Synod’s dilemma to the TV, complaining there was too much “outside pressure for our Church to not recognize the Macedonian [Church]”.
          “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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          • Tomche Makedonche
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2011
            • 1123

            Ecumenical Patriarch Vartholomaios issued a strong rebuke to the Church of Bulgaria over its support for the schismatic church in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM).


            Patriarch rebukes Church of Bulgaria over 'Macedonia'

            Ecumenical Patriarch Vartholomaios issued a strong rebuke to the Church of Bulgaria over its support for the schismatic church in the Republic of Macedonia.

            The strong worded statement by Vartholomaios, who is spiritual leader of the world’s Orthodox Christians, was made on Wednesday evening after the Bulgarian Church agreed to acknowledge and be the “mother church” of “Macedonia,” which is considered “schismatic” by the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Istanbul.

            “The action of the sister church of Bulgaria was wrong. It complicates matters. The mother church of all Balkan nations is that of Constantinople,” he said, adding that this is what history says and that the Bulgarian church has no right to normalize the “Macedonian” one.

            Patriarch Neophyte of Bulgaria has repeatedly claimed that Bulgaria should support the church of “Macedonia” in its attempt for recognition and integration.
            “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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            • Tomche Makedonche
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2011
              • 1123

              The Bulgarian Holy Synod decided not to take part in a showpiece celebration with the unrecognised Macedonian Orthodox Church after receiving a letter of complaint from the Serbian patriarchy.


              Bulgarian Clerics Retreat from Support for Macedonia Church

              The Bulgarian Holy Synod decided not to take part in a showpiece celebration with the unrecognised Macedonian Orthodox Church after receiving a letter of complaint from the Serbian patriarchy

              The Bulgarian Holy Synod decided late on Monday to refuse an invitation from Macedonian Archbishop Stefan and not attend celebrations for the 1000th anniversary of the creation of the Ohrid Archbishopric on May 27 in Macedonia’s second city.

              The decision divided the Synod, with eight members of the governing body of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church voting against, and five members backing participation.

              It came against a backdrop of rapprochement between the Bulgarian and the Macedonian clergies over the past six months, ever since the Holy Synod of the Macedonian Church asked the Bulgarian Orthodox Church to assume parental authority over it in November 2017 and encourage its acceptance as an equal member of the Orthodox churches family.

              The Macedonian Church is currently unrecognised by other Orthodox Churches due to a long-running dispute over its ecclesiastical independence from the Serbian Orthodox Church, to which it was formerly united.

              Later in November, Bulgarian Patriarch Neofit said that the Bulgarian church ought to “take the hand extended by our Macedonian brothers”, and the Holy Synod announced the formation of a committee to lead talks with other Orthodox churches on the status of the Macedonian Church.

              There are signals that the sudden change of mind by the Bulgarian church might have been made under pressure.

              On Tuesday, the speaker of the Bulgarian Synod, Bishop Kyprian of Stara Zagora, was quoted by Bulgarian newspaper Monitor as saying that the church had received “angry letters” from the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople of the Eastern Orthodox Church Bartholomew I, and from the Serbian Patriarchy.

              But the Holy Synod press office told BIRN that the Bulgarian church received only one letter of complaint, from the Serbian Synod.

              The Serbian Church has blocked recognition of the Macedonian Church ever since it unilaterally declared "autocephaly", or ecclesiastical independence, in the late 1960s.

              The Serbian Church claims the decision was uncanonical – ecclesiastically illegal – and was pushed by Yugoslavia's then Communist government for political reasons

              While the Bulgarian Church seems to be backtracking on its support for its Macedonian counterpart, Bulgarians meanwhile seem more positive about Sofia’s relations with Skopje.

              A poll published on Tuesday by the Sofia-based sociological agency Trend showed overwhelming support within Bulgaria for Macedonia’s bid to join the EU.

              According to the poll, 70 per cent of respondents backed Skopje’s bid for EU membership, with only 15 per cent opposed.

              Overall, 61 per cent of the respondents said they believed the expansion of the EU in the Western Balkans would benefit the country, while 58 per cent thought Bulgaria ought to help its neighbours in their membership efforts.
              “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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              • Niko777
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 1895

                Not sure if anyone is following this but basically the Russian church had threatened the Bulgarian church not to recognize the Macedonian church (to the satisfaction of Greece and Serbia).

                However today it was revealed that the Russian church also sent a threatening letter to the Church of Greece not to recognize the Ukrainian church.

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                • Bill77
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 4545

                  Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
                  Not sure if anyone is following this but basically the Russian church had threatened the Bulgarian church not to recognize the Macedonian church (to the satisfaction of Greece and Serbia).

                  However today it was revealed that the Russian church also sent a threatening letter to the Church of Greece not to recognize the Ukrainian church.
                  Christ would be shaking his head in dismay.

                  What a moronic rabble this Eastern Orthodox org is. Christ preached about these hypocrites. If only they read the bible.
                  http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                  • Amphipolis
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2014
                    • 1328

                    According to Greek media and an announcement by the Patriarch, it seems that the Macedonian Orthodox Church is returning to the Patriarchate under the name Archdiocese/Archbishopric of Ohrid.

                    Last edited by Amphipolis; 05-31-2018, 03:11 AM.

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                    • vicsinad
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2011
                      • 2337

                      According to Greek Lies.

                      And stop posting crap we can't read.

                      MOC-OA denies: We do not ask the Ecumenical Party to delete the term "Macedonian"

                      The Synod of the MOC-OA denies all information to the public that the Ecumenical Patriarchate was asked to recognize the status of the church by deleting the Macedonian.



                      Timothy: MOC-OA seeks recognition of autocephaly, not change of name of church

                      A month ago, we sent a request to the Ecumenical Patriarchate requesting recognition of the autocephaly of the Macedonian Orthodox Church - Ohrid Archbishopric. Nobody demanded, nor dreamed of any deletion of the name. The church does not give up its name, the bishop Timotej, spokesperson of the MOC-OA, told MKD.mk.

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                      • Amphipolis
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2014
                        • 1328

                        Thanks and don't shoot me. That was clarifying enough.

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                        • vicsinad
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2011
                          • 2337

                          Typical case of a Greek crying victim when the gun is in their hands and a body on the floor in front of them.

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                          • Phoenix
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 4671

                            Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
                            Thanks and don't shoot me...
                            One can always dream...

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                            • Stojacanec
                              Member
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 809

                              I can't read that article Amphipolis. I wasn't part of the population swap.

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                              • Niko777
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 1895

                                I personally don't have an issue with the MOC's official name being "Ohrid Archpishopric". Many (if not, all) Orthodox churches have a different official name with the word "Patriarchate" or "Autonomous".

                                The issue I have is if the MOC agrees not to use "Macedonian Orthodox Church" at all, internally, or on the church buildings. Why would other churches be allowed to use an ethnic identifier along side their official name, but not the MOC? Why should a different standard be applied to Macedonians only?

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