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  • George S.
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 10116

    I don't see any sense to it we are helping Australia & digging our own grave.
    No to name change whatsoever if greece doesn't like it tough!Macedonia must be recognized under it's constitutional name that includes Greece recognizing us fully.
    If Eu or Nato does not accept us under our constitutional name we simply stay out of their membership.Macedonia must preserve it's identity & must not compromise on that.
    Those people advocating compromising are simply TRAITORS.PLease don't give me lame excuses to change our name,we don't have to change anything.No one is forcing anyone to change their name.Anyone that wan'ts to change their name should pack up & go to the north pole where there is nobody & leave Macedonia well alone.
    "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
    GOTSE DELCEV

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    • Rogi
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 2343

      Wait, do we want Australia to recognise Macedonia's Constitutional name or not?

      Australia wants something from Macedonia (UN Sec. Council support vote) and Macedonia wants something from Australia (Name recognition).

      It seems like a given that this is an opportunity that should be explored to see if something good can come out of it for Macedonia.

      I don't see the point you are making Z Aposlotovski's Student?

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      • Bill77
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 4545

        Originally posted by Rogi View Post
        Wait, do we want Australia to recognise Macedonia's Constitutional name or not?

        Australia wants something from Macedonia (UN Sec. Council support vote) and Macedonia wants something from Australia (Name recognition).

        It seems like a given that this is an opportunity that should be explored to see if something good can come out of it for Macedonia.

        I don't see the point you are making Z Aposlotovski's Student?
        i am with you on this one Rogi, we cant have this hatred with the world all the time. We must be cool headed and diplomatic about it and show we (Macedonians) are good contributors and fair. If i remember the USA took there time to recognise us. One of the reasons It all changed (in my opinion) when we became alies with the US in the fight against terorism around iraq and Afganistan. And a crucial part at that, when those Macedonian soldiers saved those US soldiers. Now if we had the attitude back then and rant about our disatisfaction and not help out, would it have been diferant now?
        http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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        • UMDiaspora.org
          Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 525

          UMD hopes that Australia will do the next logical step in its relationship with the Republic of Macedonia and recognize Macedonia as the Republic of Macedonia, its rightful and constitutional name, for all purposes, bilateral and international.

          The Director of UMD Australian Operations, Ordan Andreevski, conveyed a message to the Australian public through this blog post that the Australian-Macedonian community should be utilized to gain Macedonia's support for Australia's UN bid. Through our meetings with members of Parliament in Canberra, UMD will reiterate the need to engage the Australian-Macedonian community more in improving Australia-Macedonia relations.
          For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

          United Macedonian Diaspora
          http://www.umdiaspora.org

          1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
          Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

          PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
          Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

          3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
          Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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          • UMDiaspora.org
            Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 525

            Name dispute or ethnic misdeeds?

            A little old but still very relevant:

            In August 1903, Macedonian patriots rose against the Ottoman Empire. While they won Macedonian independence for only a limited time, it was clear that Macedonian national consciousness was alive.


            Sunday, October 14, 2007
            Name dispute or ethnic misdeeds?

            In August 1903, Macedonian patriots rose against the Ottoman Empire. While they won Macedonian independence for only a limited time, it was clear that Macedonian national consciousness was alive.

            Today, there is a nonsensical "dispute" about the same land, as Greece denies the right of the Republic of Macedonia to call itself by that name. In doing so, Greece disregards the United Nations Charter's admonition that all people have the right to self-determination. Greece's stated basis for this "dispute" is that the Republic of Macedonia supposedly harbors "territorial ambitions" toward northern Greece. The Greek government also claims Macedonia misappropriates "Greek history."

            The Republic of Macedonia amended its constitution to unequivocally disclaim any "territorial ambitions," and it changed national symbols to remove "Greek" connections. But Greek government intransigence persists.

            The real reason for the "dispute" is that, since Greece forcibly took possession of a large part of historical Macedonia following the Balkan Wars of 1912-13, it has denied the existence of the Macedonian people and ruthlessly pursued a policy of forced assimilation. These actions constitute genocide under the 1948 Genocide Convention (to which Greece is bound).

            Specifically, Greek governments have harassed, jailed and even tortured those who spoke Macedonian or otherwise practiced their cultural heritage. Greek governments also forcibly changed city names, family names, and even names on gravestones from their true Macedonian names to "Greek" ones. And, as documented in recent U.S. State Department Human Rights Reports, Greece has even denied entry into Greece to U.S. citizens, born in Greece, but whose names are not "Greek" (e.g., Gatzoulis is "Greek", but Gatzova isn't). Greece took these actions "with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"... by "[c]ausing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group" or "•eliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part." (Genocide Convention, Article II.)

            An independent Macedonian state is anathema to Greece because it is an embarrassing reminder of Greece's failed attempts to wipe out the Macedonian people. This policy led to massive migrations of Macedonian-identifying people to the United States, Australia and Canada and, sadly, also to some Macedonians identifying themselves (at least publicly) as Greek.

            The international community has rejected Greece's heavyhanded position: more than 120 countries — including the United States, Canada, China and Russia — recognize the Republic of Macedonia by its constitutional name. In fact, Greece's own top diplomat to the Republic of Macedonia, Dora Grosomanidou, stated on July 8 to the Financial Times that "Greece has to face the new reality, as the... Republic of Macedonia has been recognized under its constitutional name [Macedonia] by more than half of the members of the U.N." The Greek government sacked her the very next day.

            The Greek lobby continues to misrepresent the "name dispute." Recently, it began a campaign to undermine the U. S. government's decision to recognize the Republic of Macedonia's constitutional name. The lobby has forced the issue onto the U.S. Congress by seeking passage of legislative resolutions reciting various Greek misrepresentations. Their bogus arguments include that Macedonians are really just Bulgarians or Serbs and that Macedonia is a haven for terrorists.

            The claim that Macedonians are Bulgarians or Serbs is false and tellingly callous. Ethnographers and historians have concluded that Macedonians are a separate people. Greek claims also are undercut by historical Greek census data revealing the Macedonian language was spoken in northern Greece in the 1920s, counted separately from Bulgarian, Greek and Serbian. Furthermore, the Greek government in the late 1920s published, but later banned and burned, several thousand grammar books for Macedonian schoolchildren, written in Macedonian.

            A new false Greek claim, which emerged after brief civil unrest in Macedonia in 2001, is the outrageous allegation that Macedonia is a haven for terrorists. The opposite is true: Macedonia has been a staunch U.S. ally, particularly in the War on Terror. For example, Macedonia has deployed, beginning shortly after September 11, 2001, about 200 troops to Afghanistan and Iraq. Moreover, through its diligent efforts at building a democratic, free market and pro-Western state, Macedonia is poised for entry into NATO.

            While sentiment toward the United States in Macedonia is overwhelmingly positive, the opposite is true in Greece, as it regularly ranks near the bottom in surveys of attitudes toward the U.S. In January 2007, the U.S. Embassy was hit by a rocket attack from a Greek terrorist group, "Revolutionary Struggle," itself a spin-off of the notorious Marxist terrorist group, "17 November," which murdered several U.S. diplomats and military personnel, including a CIA station chief. Yet, ironically, we are asked to believe Macedonia is a haven for terrorists and that Greeks are pro-American.

            The Republic of Macedonia has done more than enough to demonstrate it does not harbor claims on Greek territory. It is high time for Greece to act responsibly and cease its ugly gamesmanship aimed at covering up its misdeeds. It is only logical that those whose roots are in Macedonia should be able to identify as Macedonians.

            Metodija A. Koloski is president of United Macedonian Diaspora, an international nongovernmental and nonpartisan organization addressing the interests and needs of Macedonians and Macedonian communities throughout the world.
            For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

            United Macedonian Diaspora
            http://www.umdiaspora.org

            1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
            Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

            PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
            Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

            3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
            Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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            • George S.
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 10116

              look i don't advocate playing with the devil what guarantee do we have that aUstralia is going to recognize us by our constitutional name???If australia does a about face then it will be a slap in the face for the Greeks.Supporting Australia should not involve name changing.
              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
              GOTSE DELCEV

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              • UMDiaspora.org
                Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 525

                Until it happens nobody can guarantee. Let's hope it happens in the near future.
                For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

                United Macedonian Diaspora
                http://www.umdiaspora.org

                1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
                Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

                PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
                Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

                3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
                Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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                • Risto the Great
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 15658

                  Originally posted by Z Apostolovski's Student View Post
                  Right On George, this UMD now has really shown their best CARDS, they now support This Racist government of Australia..........Ova braycha e REZIL and must be PUNISHED.
                  This METO guy must be related to CRVENKOVIC or Izdaynikot Lube Boshkovski.
                  I have no idea how you arrive at these conclusions ZAS.
                  Risto the Great
                  MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                  "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                  Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                  • ZAS
                    Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 178

                    Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post
                    UMD hopes that Australia will do the next logical step in its relationship with the Republic of Macedonia and recognize Macedonia as the Republic of Macedonia, its rightful and constitutional name, for all purposes, bilateral and international.

                    The Director of UMD Australian Operations, Ordan Andreevski, conveyed a message to the Australian public through this blog post that the Australian-Macedonian community should be utilized to gain Macedonia's support for Australia's UN bid. Through our meetings with members of Parliament in Canberra, UMD will reiterate the need to engage the Australian-Macedonian community more in improving Australia-Macedonia relations.
                    Pie In The Sky stuff, very wishfull thinking, Blind Hope.

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                    • ZAS
                      Member
                      • May 2009
                      • 178

                      Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post
                      Until it happens nobody can guarantee. Let's hope it happens in the near future.
                      Pipe Dream.

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13670

                        Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                        I have no idea how you arrive at these conclusions ZAS.
                        Probably a Pipe Dream.
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • ZAS
                          Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 178

                          Originally posted by Rogi View Post
                          Wait, do we want Australia to recognise Macedonia's Constitutional name or not?

                          Australia wants something from Macedonia (UN Sec. Council support vote) and Macedonia wants something from Australia (Name recognition).

                          It seems like a given that this is an opportunity that should be explored to see if something good can come out of it for Macedonia.

                          I don't see the point you are making Z Aposlotovski's Student?
                          The POINT i am making is that our Prime Minister was accepted as a FYROMIAN By this Bastard RUDD, and now This METO guy is will change this Bastard RUDD'S mind, I doubt it, nesne deca da se lazime, besides who the Fuck appointed these clowns to speak and lobby on our behalf.

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                          • ZAS
                            Member
                            • May 2009
                            • 178

                            Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                            Probably a Pipe Dream.
                            SOM I see you are in your USUAL mood.

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                            • Rogi
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 2343

                              Even if you might be, we are not all without ideas, vision and hope.

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                              • Prolet
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 5241

                                Rogi, Australia has Greece and Bulgaria leaning on its side so what has Australia got to gain by recognizing us?? One vote means nothing for Australia, if we vote for them and Australia recognizes us then Greece wont vote for them and Cyprus wont either so whats the difference??

                                Lets face it, We are a small fish in a big pond i agree with UMD that our relations need to be stronger however at the end of the day whats in it for Australia?? Surly being in their shoes they wont risk ruining their relations with Greece which are very good just to recognize us and get pretty much nothing in return maybe a nice thank you and thats about it.

                                Remember one thing Rogi, Zhaba na suvo ne krekat.
                                МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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