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  • BigMak
    Banned
    • Jan 2009
    • 209

    Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post
    BBC Macedonian Service is not anti-Macedonian and pro-Greek.

    What racist reports did the BBC Macedonian Service publish?
    Who was responsible for the initial facebook flooding of this campaign?

    It is disgustingly obvious the lack of knowledge inside UMD and the way the organisation has supported the BBC in this way, Its bordering treasonous if you are sighing this petition. For numerous years I have contacting both the BBC and BBC Macedonian to try and rectify numerous articles written.

    BBC without a doubt has single hand-idly been the sole train of the Slavo Macedonian theory and have fyromised us for the world. They are responsible for bringing this to the world and misinforming the naive.

    BBC Macedonian is no different than A1.

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    • BigMak
      Banned
      • Jan 2009
      • 209

      2001 response from Mark Brayne, News and Current Affairs Editor, European Region, BBC World Service, It made no utter difference and the term is openly still used

      BBC Directive on the use of the term "Slav"

      Mark Brayne, May 04, 2001

      Dear all - after giving this some thought in the European region, and after conversations with several of you, we would like to suggest that as BBC we should seek to avoid wherever possible referring to ethnic Macedonians in Macedonia as "Slav Macedonians" or "Macedonian Slavs" or e.g. "the majority Slav population of Macedonia."

      This is a matter of considerable sensivity among Macedonians themselves, who argue that the term denies them their distinct Macedonian ethnic identity. BBC Producer Guidelines (p 108 section 9.4.2) have some useful advice on this: "A good rule of thumb is to ask how people describe themselves: there have to be good reasons for calling them something different."

      At the WS we've previously justified the term as journalistically useful to differentiate the ethnic Macedonians of Macedonia from the ethnic Albanians there. But given how raw this story now is - and indeed the BBC's profile in covering it (BBC World and OnLine, not to speak of BBC in Macedonian and Albanian, are followed closely by all parties to this conflict) - and given that we can usually get round such usage without compromising editorial clarity, we would now suggest that all BBC reporters, writers and programme-makers seek wherever possible to find alternative ways of referring to the Macedonians.

      A couple of comparisons which might help explain why this makes sense: we don't for example refer to Slav Serbs, or Slav Croats. Also, we now seek to refer to the formerly "gypsy" populations of East and Central Europe as "Roma" - in line with their own usage.

      "Ethnic Macedonians", "the majority Macedonian population", best of all just "Macedonians" are all fine - corresponding to "ethnic Albanians", "the minority Albanian population" or just "Albanians" once it's clear in the context that we're talking about ethnic groups within the state of Macedonia.

      Over to you to pass this on appropriately - and if you need any more words, or clarification, or indeed if anyone disagrees with this, please let me know.

      Thanks.

      Mark
      _____________________
      Mark Brayne
      News and Current Affairs Editor, European Region
      BBC World Service
      Room 626SE, Bush House, London WC2B 4PH
      Tel: 020 755 72375
      Fax 020 7497 2776

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      • indigen
        Senior Member
        • May 2009
        • 1558

        Originally posted by BigMak View Post
        2001 response from Mark Brayne, News and Current Affairs Editor, European Region, BBC World Service, It made no utter difference and the term is openly still used

        BBC Directive on the use of the term "Slav"

        Mark Brayne, May 04, 2001

        Dear all - after giving this some thought in the European region, and after conversations with several of you, we would like to suggest that as BBC we should seek to avoid wherever possible referring to ethnic Macedonians in Macedonia as "Slav Macedonians" or "Macedonian Slavs" or e.g. "the majority Slav population of Macedonia."

        This is a matter of considerable sensivity among Macedonians themselves, who argue that the term denies them their distinct Macedonian ethnic identity. BBC Producer Guidelines (p 108 section 9.4.2) have some useful advice on this: "A good rule of thumb is to ask how people describe themselves: there have to be good reasons for calling them something different."

        At the WS we've previously justified the term as journalistically useful to differentiate the ethnic Macedonians of Macedonia from the ethnic Albanians there. But given how raw this story now is - and indeed the BBC's profile in covering it (BBC World and OnLine, not to speak of BBC in Macedonian and Albanian, are followed closely by all parties to this conflict) - and given that we can usually get round such usage without compromising editorial clarity, we would now suggest that all BBC reporters, writers and programme-makers seek wherever possible to find alternative ways of referring to the Macedonians.

        A couple of comparisons which might help explain why this makes sense: we don't for example refer to Slav Serbs, or Slav Croats. Also, we now seek to refer to the formerly "gypsy" populations of East and Central Europe as "Roma" - in line with their own usage.

        "Ethnic Macedonians", "the majority Macedonian population", best of all just "Macedonians" are all fine - corresponding to "ethnic Albanians", "the minority Albanian population" or just "Albanians" once it's clear in the context that we're talking about ethnic groups within the state of Macedonia.

        Over to you to pass this on appropriately - and if you need any more words, or clarification, or indeed if anyone disagrees with this, please let me know.

        Thanks.

        Mark
        _____________________
        Mark Brayne
        News and Current Affairs Editor, European Region
        BBC World Service
        Room 626SE, Bush House, London WC2B 4PH
        Tel: 020 755 72375
        Fax 020 7497 2776
        The whole Western IMPERIALIST political machinery (of which BBC, RFE and myriad other "human rights", "Civil Society" and "Aid and Development" agencies and structure are part and parcel of) TEMPORARILY (until next deconstruction phase comes into action) eased up on the virulent anti-Macedonian propaganda ONCE THEY ACHIEVED their stated objective/s - DECONSTRUCTION of the Macedonian state into a state of communities, i.e. non-Macedonian "multi-ethnic Ramkovist state"!

        IMO, "UMD" is openly showing (yet again) its political allegiance and subservience to foreign anti-Macedonian interests. This is done in good VASSAL company, too, with the likes of Kiro Gligorov and Antonio Miloshoski asking for the same thing! Birds of a (TREASONOUS) feather stick together!
        Last edited by indigen; 02-02-2011, 08:41 PM.

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        • Makedonska_Kafana
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 2642

          Originally posted by bigmak View Post
          bbc macedonian is no different than a1.
          bingo bigmak!
          http://www.makedonskakafana.com

          Macedonia for the Macedonians

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          • Pelister
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 2742

            A number of question for you Meto.

            What steps has UMD taken to end the negotiations, or does UMD still push the line that the negotiations are necessary?

            Does UMD realize that our admission to the United Nations by our chosen name has not been 'blocked' by anyone?

            What has UMD been doing in terms of getting the Gruevski government to admit our name to the United Nations?

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            • George S.
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 10116

              What's the progress on stopping the negotiations.What has umd done that stands out like the proverbials.Buggerall.I'm dissapointed in the extreme.
              "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
              GOTSE DELCEV

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              • UMDiaspora.org
                Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 525

                Umd

                Originally posted by Pelister View Post
                A number of question for you Meto.

                What steps has UMD taken to end the negotiations, or does UMD still push the line that the negotiations are necessary?

                Does UMD realize that our admission to the United Nations by our chosen name has not been 'blocked' by anyone?

                What has UMD been doing in terms of getting the Gruevski government to admit our name to the United Nations?
                All good questions, UMD met with Macedonian President Ivanov last night urging the Macedonian government to end the negotiations. Few members of Parliament of both VMRO and SDSM were present.

                UMD will be organizing a symposium at the United Nations in the coming months bringing international experts to discuss the illegality of Macedonia's admission to the UN.

                The Gruevski Government has not responded at all to our concerns yet. We will keep pushing.

                We hope that answers your questions for now. Things can't happen overnight.
                For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

                United Macedonian Diaspora
                http://www.umdiaspora.org

                1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
                Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

                PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
                Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

                3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
                Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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                • UMDiaspora.org
                  Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 525

                  Here is the text about the meeting with President Ivanov. When the text was published last night, it included our views on the negotiations, and that the Diaspora does not support a name change. Oddly enough this morning it is no longer in the article:

                  For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

                  United Macedonian Diaspora
                  http://www.umdiaspora.org

                  1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
                  Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

                  PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
                  Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

                  3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
                  Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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                  • Makedonska_Kafana
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 2642

                    Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post

                    The Gruevski Government has not responded at all to our concerns yet. We will keep pushing.
                    Who exactly, we'll ask that person(s)?

                    Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post
                    Oddly enough this morning it is no longer in the article:
                    Oddly? Find out who funds VOA for that answer

                    Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post
                    Things can't happen overnight.
                    6 years is not something we consider overnight
                    Last edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 02-03-2011, 08:40 AM.
                    http://www.makedonskakafana.com

                    Macedonia for the Macedonians

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                    • Prolet
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 5241

                      UMD, Some have suggested that Macedonia ends the negotiations and goes to the UN as we have a 2/3 majority who recognized our name. In a recent interview on Sitel, Dr Srdjan Kerim was asked what he thought about that idea and he said it would be the stupidest thing we can do since he doesnt believe that all those countries would vote in our favor.

                      How do you see a way out of this?
                      МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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                      • UMDiaspora.org
                        Member
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 525

                        We have to disagree with Dr. Kerim about bringing it to the UN to get 2/3 majority, but agree with him that all countries may not vote in line with Macedonia. Many of the countries who recognize Macedonia recognize Macedonia bilaterally not multilaterally under Macedonia's name. There is a lot of work to be done prior to even bringing it up to the UN...that is why UMD will be organizing a diplomatic marathon in the coming months.

                        Here is info. on our meeting with President Ivanov: http://zurnal.mk/mk/cont.asp?k=21208...&id=3211162014
                        For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

                        United Macedonian Diaspora
                        http://www.umdiaspora.org

                        1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
                        Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

                        PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
                        Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

                        3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
                        Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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                        • Makedonska_Kafana
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 2642

                          Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post
                          We have to disagree with Dr. Kerim about bringing it to the UN to get 2/3 majority, but agree with him that all countries may not vote in line with Macedonia. Many of the countries who recognize Macedonia recognize Macedonia bilaterally not multilaterally under Macedonia's name. There is a lot of work to be done prior to even bringing it up to the UN...that is why UMD will be organizing a diplomatic marathon in the coming months.

                          Here is info. on our meeting with President Ivanov: http://zurnal.mk/mk/cont.asp?k=21208...&id=3211162014
                          do we have a name of the person that was told to change the original voa report? who instructed them? macedonian diaspora to boycott voa?
                          Last edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 02-03-2011, 09:42 PM.
                          http://www.makedonskakafana.com

                          Macedonia for the Macedonians

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                          • Vangelovski
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 8531

                            Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post
                            We have to disagree with Dr. Kerim about bringing it to the UN to get 2/3 majority, but agree with him that all countries may not vote in line with Macedonia. Many of the countries who recognize Macedonia recognize Macedonia bilaterally not multilaterally under Macedonia's name. There is a lot of work to be done prior to even bringing it up to the UN...that is why UMD will be organizing a diplomatic marathon in the coming months.

                            Here is info. on our meeting with President Ivanov: http://zurnal.mk/mk/cont.asp?k=21208...&id=3211162014
                            Meto, I see that you are still in favour of the UN determining our name rather than Macedonians themselves. I just can't work out whether you are listening to some idiotic "legal" advice or your natural vassal instincts are kicking in...

                            Did you cover any of the deeper issues with Ivanov, such as the Interim Accord or the Framework Agreement?
                            Last edited by Vangelovski; 02-03-2011, 09:45 PM.
                            If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                            The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                            • Makedonska_Kafana
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 2642

                              Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                              Meto, I see that you are still in favour of the UN determining our name rather than Macedonians themselves
                              we the people will have our say regardless what umd tells governments or politicians - our message remains the same, never going to change for athens or the usa
                              http://www.makedonskakafana.com

                              Macedonia for the Macedonians

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                              • Vangelovski
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 8531

                                Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                                Meto,

                                Remember late last year you claimed that France, Germany and South Africa would recognise Macedonia if you raised $25,000 by 31 December? What ever happened with that?
                                Meto,

                                Any progress on this front? Did you raise the money? Have these states recognised Macedonia's state name yet or was the money used to pay your salary?
                                Last edited by Vangelovski; 02-13-2011, 01:04 AM.
                                If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                                The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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