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  • makedonche
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 3242

    "What has Australia done for Macedonia"

    Australia(n's) have commenced the Macedonian Truth Organisation!
    This is an organisation that seeks the truth about Macedonia and Macedonians and is open to all people of the world to learn, express and debate their views on all topics relating to the Macedonian Cause/truth/nation/people/government/policies etc.
    The commencement of this organisation has uinified Macedonians from around the world, the MTO has also exposed the fudamental flaws in policy/actions/ideals and postions of the successive governments of the ROM, UMD and other capitulist organisations, NGO's and non-truly patriotic organisations. The Macedonian Truth Organisation has single handedly prevented the further erosion of the Macedonian identity, questioned the path taken to date which has led to the erosion of identity/human rights of the Macedonian people. In short it has done more for the awakening of the Macedonian consciouness and defining the Macedonian Cause and prevented the total capitulation of the Sovreignity of the Macedonian culture/language/history and identity.
    This is a brief summary of what Australia has done for Macedonia through the MTO - feel free to add to the list of the MTO's achievements.
    On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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    • UMDiaspora.org
      Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 525

      At least, the Canadian Prime Minister would come out with such a statement. We don't see much leadership from Australia's PM Kevin Rudd.
      For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

      United Macedonian Diaspora
      http://www.umdiaspora.org

      1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
      Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

      PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
      Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

      3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
      Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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      • Rogi
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 2343

        Oh I know and agree, K.Rudd is completely spineless on Macedonian matters and seems beholden to the Greeks.

        But let's not kid ourselves about Harper actually supporting Macedonia in any altruistic way and we shouldn't be complacent with small crumbs.

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        • Mr Brandy
          Member
          • May 2010
          • 144

          Originally posted by Rogi View Post
          Oh I know and agree, K.Rudd is completely spineless on Macedonian matters and seems beholden to the Greeks.

          But let's not kid ourselves about Harper actually supporting Macedonia in any altruistic way and we shouldn't be complacent with small crumbs.
          Rogi - I believe you are right and of course Harper is a politician fishing for votes however its still a positive stance. I don't think he minced words in his statement. His support of us even in this small way has the Greeks here fuming. I am not trivializing the precarious future ahead for Macedonia but once and while we Macedonians have to celebrate something.
          Last edited by Mr Brandy; 06-15-2010, 08:44 PM.

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          • UMDiaspora.org
            Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 525

            PM Harper is a friend to Macedonia and Macedonians. It is quite significant for a Canadian Prime Minister to be such a friend. He is the first to visit a Macedonian Orthodox Church in Toronto. The increase in bilateral relations between Canada and Macedonia in recent years is exemplary. His message to Macedonians is greatly appreciated, and definitely shows the strength of the Canadian-Macedonian community.
            For comments, questions, concerns, please contact us at:

            United Macedonian Diaspora
            http://www.umdiaspora.org

            1101 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, 6th Floor, Washington, D.C. 20004, United States
            Phone: (202) 756-2244, Fax: (202) 756-7323, E-mail: [email protected]

            PO Box 2153, Hawthorn, Vic. 3122, Australia
            Phone: 0438 385 466, E-mail: [email protected]

            3555 St. Clair Avenue East, Toronto, ON, M1K 1L6, Canada
            Phone: 416-209-0448, E-mail: [email protected]

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            • Prolet
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 5241

              Risto, AMHRC proved in court about the Slav Macedonian Laguage that it doesnt exist thats it, i remember Rogi posting the documents and Rogi is a good source when it comes to information like that.

              Vangelovski, Are you suggesting that Macedonian Activist Aco Taleski is wrong? What more proof do you need when we have two state premiers who've called us Slav Macedonians. We've heard it all from the horses mouth before.
              МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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              • indigen
                Senior Member
                • May 2009
                • 1558

                Originally posted by Prolet View Post
                Risto, AMHRC proved in court about the Slav Macedonian Laguage that it doesnt exist thats it, i remember Rogi posting the documents and Rogi is a good source when it comes to information like that.

                Vangelovski, Are you suggesting that Macedonian Activist Aco Taleski is wrong? What more proof do you need when we have two state premiers who've called us Slav Macedonians. We've heard it all from the horses mouth before.
                P., there is the "Slav-Prefix" Directive on the books from 1994 and it is valid and current policy of Australia. It does not seem to be applied much in practice but it did (and does) placate the "Greeks". When in 1994 a campaign of violence and burnings was unleashed on a scale never seen before in Australia, it is assumed, since to my knowledge no one was ever legally charged, that it was extreme elements of our southern neighbours who were responsible for such acts. This no doubt INTIMIDATED Australian politicians and, IMO, had all the hallmarks of foreign (Greek state) agents inflaming or even instigating many of these incidents. This "PASSION" displayed by the "Greeks" had a "persuasive influence" on Australian politicians. Add to this the very active Greek organised community, which runs quite a number of ALP branches, especially in Victoria, and one should not be surprised of how events of 1994 turned out against Macedonian national interests. The Greek protest rallies were the biggest seen since anti-Vietnam War protests (1960s-1970s) and Nuclear Disarmament rallies of 1980s, 40-60k plus in both Sydney and Melbourne over a period of 2 years (92-94).

                Secondly, "Slav Macedonian" label is self-applied by many Macedonians and Macedonian state institutions and agencies and it is HYPOCRITICAL to complain to Australia when you have Gligorov, Georgievski, Trajkovski, Crvenkovski, and the rest of the VASSALS propagating that this is what we are! There are even MTO heroes who preach about "Slav Speakers" without ever being criticised. I wont name names but a Google search for "Slav Speakers" might bring the culprits to view.

                Lastly, IMO, it would be more productive to FIRST eliminate the "Slav" designation at its root cause, in Macedonia and amongst Macedonians and Macedonian state, media, political institutions and agencies and community organisations that regurgitate this anti-Macedonian outdated propaganda, rather than worrying too much about SECONDARY symptoms of the original infection. Treat the cause and not the symptoms!
                Last edited by indigen; 06-15-2010, 11:27 PM.

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                • aleksandrov
                  Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 558

                  Originally posted by Prolet View Post
                  Risto, Australia is the only country in the world where we are recognized as Slav Macedonians,...
                  Please refer us to an authoritative source indicating that "we" are CURRENTLY "recognized as Slav Macedonians" by Australia? The only Australian 'recognition' I know of is that of the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", whose Government has accepted that perpetual 'temporary reference' for entry into the UN and for its relations with about half the countries in the world.

                  Australia has no such process as 'recognizing' or 'not recognising' ethnicities on a case by case basis. Yes, in 1994 its Foreign Affairs Minister accepted Greek demands to refer to "people associated with FYROM" as "Slav Macedonians", but at that time the Government of 'FYROM' itself identified ethnic Macedonians as "Slav Macedonians" in promotional material and in numerous public statements. Once the Australian Federal Government was made well aware by the AUSTRALIAN Macedonian community that it considers the "Slav" prefix to be a racial slur, serving the denial of the heritage and right to free self-identification of ethnic Macedonians, it stopped using the "Slav" prefix to identify Macedonians who do not want to be identified as such. In fact, the reaction by the AUSTRALIAN Macedonian community was so instant and overwhelming that the Federal Government hardly got a chance to even start using the "Slav" prefix. What it does continue to use, however, is the "FYROM" name, based on the fact that the FYROM Government has voluntarily accepted that name as a temporary compromise in its dispute with Greece. Unlike the USA, Australia has no interest in offering the Republic of Macedonia a superficial carrot i.e. it does not have a substantial strategic interest in attempting to exploit the Republic of Macedonia and detrimentally interfering in its internal affairs, so it has no interest in pulling the wool over the eyes of Macedonians in the Republic of Macedonia with recognition of its 'constitutional' name before the ongoing "name negotiations" with Greece have concluded.
                  Last edited by aleksandrov; 06-15-2010, 11:07 PM.
                  All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer

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                  • Vangelovski
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 8531

                    Originally posted by UMDiaspora.org View Post
                    PM Harper is a friend to Macedonia and Macedonians. It is quite significant for a Canadian Prime Minister to be such a friend. He is the first to visit a Macedonian Orthodox Church in Toronto. The increase in bilateral relations between Canada and Macedonia in recent years is exemplary. His message to Macedonians is greatly appreciated, and definitely shows the strength of the Canadian-Macedonian community.
                    UMD's Goce Delcev Award is cheap indeed...
                    If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                    The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                    • aleksandrov
                      Member
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 558

                      Originally posted by Prolet View Post
                      Risto, AMHRC proved in court about the Slav Macedonian Laguage that it doesnt exist thats it, i remember Rogi posting the documents and Rogi is a good source when it comes to information like that.

                      Vangelovski, Are you suggesting that Macedonian Activist Aco Taleski is wrong? What more proof do you need when we have two state premiers who've called us Slav Macedonians. We've heard it all from the horses mouth before.
                      You need to look up the difference between Federal and State governments in Australia, as well as the difference between Government policy and nonsensical ramblings by individual politicians prostituting themselves for Greek votes, at Greek gatherings.

                      State Governments have no jurisdiction over foreign affairs. And as far as I know, no State Government in Australia has a formal policy determining the identity of Macedonians or any other ethnic group.
                      All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer

                      https://www.facebook.com/igor.a.aleksandrov?ref=tn_tnmn

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                      • Struja
                        Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 206

                        wtf is a goce delcev award? is this some kind of a joke? lol

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                        • Struja
                          Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 206

                          The Goce Delchev Award is UMD´s highest honor and the recipient of this award is selected based on the impact that they have had on Macedonians around the world, their record of public service, and their advancement of justice, peace, democracy, personal freedom and economic opportunity.
                          I had to google this shit..

                          Meto, I think MTO should give you the K-15 tool of the week award.

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                          • Mikail
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 1338

                            The Goce Delcev Award is given annually by RoM to individuals or organisations, as recognition for a high level of achievement.

                            Yet another example of UMD showing now originality. UMD now are trying to High Jack a national and highly distinguished prize.
                            From the village of P’pezhani, Tashko Popov, Dimitar Popov-Skenderov and Todor Trpenov were beaten and sentenced to 12 years prison. Pavle Mevchev and Atanas Popov from Vrbeni and Boreshnica joined them in early 1927, they were soon after transferred to Kozhani and executed. As they were leaving Lerin they were heard to shout "With our death, Macedonia will not be lost. Our blood will run, but other Macedonians will rise from it"

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                            • Mikail
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 1338

                              Within the frameworks of the 107-th anniversary from the death of the Macedonian revolutionary Goce Delcev, two professors of the “Goce Delcev” University won the award “Goce Delcev” that the Republic of Macedonia confers for a particularly significant accomplishments from the field of science, which are of special interest for the Republic. Prof. Todor Serafimovski Ph.D. from the Faculty of Natural and Technical Sciences won the award on the study “Genesis of ore deposits”. The award “Goce Delcev” for 2010 was posthumous conferred to Vance Stojcev Ph.D., Professor and Vice-Dean for teaching affairs at the Faculty of law in the “Goce Delcev” University, for his study “Historical atlas of Macedonia”

                              From the village of P’pezhani, Tashko Popov, Dimitar Popov-Skenderov and Todor Trpenov were beaten and sentenced to 12 years prison. Pavle Mevchev and Atanas Popov from Vrbeni and Boreshnica joined them in early 1927, they were soon after transferred to Kozhani and executed. As they were leaving Lerin they were heard to shout "With our death, Macedonia will not be lost. Our blood will run, but other Macedonians will rise from it"

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                              • Risto the Great
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 15658

                                Originally posted by Struja View Post
                                the K-15 tool of the week award.
                                Hey, this idea has legs!
                                Risto the Great
                                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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