Kalash / Hunza tribes & the Burushaski Language

[Coolski]

When i see the words written down I can see similarities with modern Macedonian. When they speak their language, the phonetics seem to be a mix of Turkish and Persian sounds and intonations, especially Persian. Just a surface comment.

By the way modern Macedonian has a looot of common words with modern Persian that are not shared with Turkish. A Persian friend of mine has been writing them down in a book as we've stumbled across them. Does anyone know of any published material that already shows these links?

[Soldier of Macedon]

By the way modern Macedonian has a looot of common words with modern Persian that are not shared with Turkish.

There are 3 reasons for this.

The first is that both Macedonian and Persian are Indo-European languages, whereas Turkish is an Altaic (or Ural-Altaic) langauge. So they come from completely different language families.

The second is that Macedonian and Persian are classified as Slavic (< Balto-Slavic) and Iranian (< Indo-Iranian) languages respectively, and of all the sub-groups of the Indo-European family of languages, these two share the most similarities with each other as compared to the rest. This means that at some point very early on when Indo-European languages began to fragment, they very likely formed a common (albeit loose) group which subsequently began to fragment even further.

The third reason is that when Proto Slavic began to develop from Balto-Slavic, it was influenced to some degree by Iranian languages which were spoken by certain tribes of Scythia and further east. Some of these tribes may be the Alanic ancestors of the modern Ossetians.

[BigMak]

here are some Modern Macedonian similarities with the Kalashi language

english then the second word is kalashi and the following ones are Macedonian


1. Nose- Nast – nos (Kaj niv T ne se cita)
2. Tongue- Jiph- jazik
3. Breast – chuchu-cicka/cice (dijalekt)(H ne se cita kaj niv, znaci doagja CUCU)
4. Belly – kuch- stomakuc (dijalekt)
5. Fingernail –nanguzhek-noktace (dijalekt)
6. Urine – mutra – moc
7. Roof – drami – pokriv/kaldrmi (dijalekten izvod)
8. Hammer –balka – cuk /BALKA (dijalekt)
9. Rope – rajuk –jaze
10. Needle – suzhik -igla /sucuk (dijalekt)
11. Moon –mastruk- mesecina (mesecok/mesecuk- dijalekt)
12. River – patisholi – reka/POTOK/patok
13. Gold – sue- zlato (verojatno nivnoto S se cita kako nase Z)
14. Root – iznos – koren/IZNOS (vo matematika)
15. Flower – gamburi . cvekje /Gamburi (vid na cveke sto se narekuva vo Makedonija)
16. Rice – grinzh- oriz (rinc-na dijalekt)
17. Garlic – weshnu- luk/veshnja luk (dijalektno za poveke lukcinja vo topce)
18. Onion – kachenduk –kromid /kromidluk e na dijalekt
19. Tomato – patingel- patligjan (nikade na Balkan nikoj osven Makedoncite go nema zborot PATLIGJAN)
20. Chicken – kakawak- kokoshka
21. Man- much-maz/mUz
22. Woman-istizha-zena
23. Father- dada- tatko /dedo
24. Mother – aya- majka (AJ go nema vo Grckiot)
25. Sister – baba- sestra /BABA e sosema isto kaj nas no znaci drugo
26. New – noa- novO/a
27. Wet – grila- mokro/mokrila (G vo K—zvucno gubenje)
28. Dry – shushta –suvo/susha /SUSHTA e dijalekt
29. Long – driga –DOLGA
30. Hot – tapala- TOPLO (NOONE on the Balkan says TOPLO only the Macedonians)
31. Three- tre- tri
32. Four – chao- Cetiri
33. Five-poin- pet
34. Six –sho- shest
35. one-hundred – shor- sto (h pred vokal ne se cita, r na kraj se gubi)
36. what-kia- koe
37. where- kawa- kade
38. when-kayo-koga
39. broken-chhina-SKINA (ne skrseno no skinato) (edit:skinna = 'rip' - think 'to skin' something)
40. all –sao- SE
41. drink- pi- pie (PIj postoi i vo Makedonskiot i e imperativ, PI e dijaletkna skratena forma vo koja pri izgovor J ne se ni slusa)

[Coolski]

There are 3 reasons for this.

The first is that both Macedonian and Persian are Indo-European languages, whereas Turkish is an Altaic (or Ural-Altaic) langauge. So they come from completely different language families.

The second is that Macedonian and Persian are classified as Slavic (< Balto-Slavic) and Iranian (< Indo-Iranian) languages respectively, and of all the sub-groups of the Indo-European family of languages, these two share the most similarities with each other as compared to the rest. This means that at some point very early on when Indo-European languages began to fragment, they very likely formed a common (albeit loose) group which subsequently began to fragment even further.

The third reason is that when Proto Slavic began to develop from Balto-Slavic, it was influenced to some degree by Iranian languages which were spoken by certain tribes of Scythia and further east. Some of these tribes may be the Alanic ancestors of the modern Ossetians.

Interesting. Is there any clear info as to how long ago these developments happened?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Interesting. Is there any clear info as to how long ago these developments happened?

While many of the commonalities and differences (and the stages leading to those differences) can be identified with some confidence, timelines are a problem. Broadly speaking, between 4000 BC to 2000 BC Proto Indo-European would have first been spoken as a single language, then fragmented into seperate groups (one of which is likely to have included the distant ancestor of Balkan, Baltic, Slavic, Indian and Iranian languages), which then continued to fragment even further until Balto-Slavic (& Balkan) and Indo-Iranian seperated from each other.

19. Tomato – patingel- patligjan (nikade na Balkan nikoj osven Makedoncite go nema zborot PATLIGJAN)

I am sure the guy who originally posted this on another forum (from where you've copied and pasted it) had good intentions, but he is wrong. The word above is originally Persian (bâdenjân) and was adopted by Macedonians, Serbs and others through Ottoman influence, from Turkish (patlıcan). Many of the other words on the list have cognates with other Indo-European languages.

[Bill77]

latest update on the burushaski language.

SOM, you seem to know a bit on this sort of stuff, what do you think or make of this finding?
Or is it something you and others already knew, in-particular the part how "Burushaski" is a indo-european language and not indo-iranian. The dots are starting to join in my opinion. There are many pictures of clothing, art, symbols that Macedonians and these Burushaski speaking people share and there have been words comparisons that have been prematurely laughed at by some. Now hearing (reading to be exact) of these findings such as the language being indo-european coming from the Balkans is just adding to claims of A) they are descendent of Alexanders B) Possible our language is closer to ancient Macedonian than what many believe.

casule cracks the code on the origins of a new european language

tuesday, 19 june 2012

there is strong evidence to support the discovery of a new european language.
Macquarie university historical linguistics researcher, associate professor ilija casule, discovered that the language, known as burushaski, which is spoken by about 90,000 people who reside in a remote area of north west pakistan, is indo-european in origin, not indo-iranian.

Professor casule’s discovery, which has now been verified by a number of the world’s top linguists, has excited linguistics experts around the world. An entire issue of the eminent international linguistics journal the journal of indo-european studies is devoted to a discussion of his findings later this month.

More than 50 eminent linguists have tried over many years to determine the genetic relationship of burushaski. But it was casule’s painstaking research, based on a comprehensive grammatical, phonological, lexical and semantic analysis, which established that the burushaski language is in fact an indo-european language most likely descended from one of the ancient balkan languages. Professor casule believes that language is most probably ancient phrygian.

The phrygians migrated from macedonia to anatolia (today part of turkey) and were famous for their legendary kings who figure prominently in greek mythology such as king midas who turned whatever he touched into gold. They later migrated further east, reaching india. Indeed, according to ancient legends of the burushashki people, they are descendants of alexander the great.
Tracing the historical path of a language is no easy task. Professor casule said he became interested in the origins of burushaski more than 20 years ago.

“people knew of its existence but its indo-european affiliation was overlooked and it was not analysed correctly. It is considered a language isolate – not related to any other language in the world in much the same way that the basque language is classified as a language isolate,” he said.
The remoteness of the area that was independent until the early 1970s when it became part of pakistan, ensured burushaski retained certain grammatical and lexical features that led professor casule to conclude it is a north-western indo-european language, specifically of the paleobalkanic language group and that it corresponds most closely with phrygian.

Dr casule’s work is groundbreaking, not only because it has implications for all the indo-european language groups, but also provides a new model for figuring out the origins of isolate languages – where they reside in the linguistic family tree and how they developed and blended with other languages to form a new language. //macquire univ.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/21254/1/

[lavce pelagonski]

Burushaski Language - YouTube

[George S.]

maybe the greeks will swnd out missionaries to teach them that it's not macedonian but it's greek.

[Dimko-piperkata]

Marina visits the Kaleshi &amp; Hunzi - to the end of the world

Marina visits the Kaleshi & Hunzi - to the end of the world - YouTube

[George S.]

yes the people have the macedonian features.Modern day greek missionaries have tried to teach them that they are greek but they won't accept that ,they are only macedonian.

[Dimko-piperkata]

other dokus about our macedonian brothers in hunza are in the pipe

[George S.]

well dp keep it coming as we all need to be aware that we have brothers in the hunza valley.

[Dimko-piperkata]

Marina - interview after her visit in HUNZA

Marina - interview after her visit in HUNZA - YouTube

[Dimko-piperkata]

ROYAL Family of HUNZA back to their ROOTS in Macedonia

ROYAL Family of HUNZA back to their ROOTS in Macedonia - YouTube

[George S.]

i think the royal family is the one holding the tide back from westerm influnce.They seem to be the protectors of the people.
We have the affirmation that we are macedonians.