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Old 01-09-2017, 10:31 AM   #30
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I believe that multi ethnic societies only function effectively when there is good will, understanding, consensus and respect for all.This may sound utopian in the Balkans, but its the only way forward if we want to prosper and forget the past.

Tell that to your fellow Albanians in the former mixed-populated villages in the 2001 conflict regions.
They provided logistics and helped the terrorists expel and burn the houses of the Macedonians, literally their own next-door neighbors.

The "good will, understanding, consensus and respect for all" isn't a one way street, if you want it to work it must come from both sides.
You can't burn your neighbor's house and expect him to respect you after that and pretend it never happened.
Dragan.... I'm talking about moving forward and trying to change things for the better of all communities
I'm not talking about remaining in 2001. It was a war, tragic things happen in wartime, we either choose to dwell on the past or try and move forward..
If we keep going tit for tat like who did what to who we will get nowhere..

My relatives had their homes and businesses burnt down in Bitola by angry Macedonians during the war, what did they do wrong, they had nothing to do with the war and were almost wiped out. What about luboten.. a village where there was no fighting.. Tarcullovski goes in and innocent men women and children die.. he goes to the Hague is supported by the government is later freed and now a deputy .. should we all dwell on this?
What do we gain?


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Infrastructure: eg, Did you know that most roads water systems in Albanian villagers are paid for by locals and the diaspora?

Have you ever traveled by car to the eastern part of the Republic?
Any Macedonian can tell you that road infrastructure in the western part is several times better than the one in the east.

A simple rockslide after Kocani on the Veles - Delcevo highway can cut off Makedonska Kamenica, Delcevo and the surrounding villages because there are no alternative roads to there.

Or if there are, they're narrow, steep, dirt roads that can be a nightmare in the slightest rain.
Yes I have been to some parts of central and eastern Macedonia and I've seen the roads they aren't great I agree.. but the situation is different in the west.
There is only one highway that you must be referring to thats the Gostivar - Tetovo - Skopje one..

This isn't a new road its been around for a while and has at least 4 pay tolls on it.. the terrain its built on is flat and is a national highway.. the road your mentioning isn't a national highway as far as I'm aware,?

The problem isn't the payed highways.. but roads linking very large villages where there are 1,000-10,000 inhabitants which are virtually in existent in the east due to migration to the cities (mostly during Yugoslavia)
But are very common in the western region.

A village of 5,000 people shouldn't have to rely on a local road or sewage systems or water treatment plants being built with diaspora and local funding.. This doesn't occur in Macedonian majority regions.. it's very very common in Albanians inhabited regions, I can't stress it enough that its a big issue that has been going on for a very long time and needs to be addressed.



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Look at Skopje, and the clear disparity from each side of the river, the Albanian districts in Cair, Gazi Baba and Butel looks like ghettos, they still don't have proper running water and sewage systems in place.

This isn't the case in Centar, Illinden , Aerodrom Gjorce Petrov ect. now is it?

Since the earthquake in Skopje there has been no plan or funding to bring the Albanian districts to some form of parity to the Macedonian ones.

The level of urbanization in each city is the same whether you live in America, Europe, Australia - the center of the city is most urbanized and as you go outward it is less and less urban.It also depends on locations of landmarks and public buildings.
Just look at where each district you named is geographically located in Skopje and that will answer your question.

It has nothing to do with the ethnic diversity of the districts.
Are you serious, I'm not sure how well you know the location of these neighborhoods, these Albanian neighborhoods are predominantly a stone throw from the city center, and they have been deliberately underfunded in all sectors by whomever has been in power for decades..

Many people accuse Albanians of wanting to divide the country, with projects like Skopje 2014 the Macedonian leadership (VMRO) has made clear divisions between "Us and Them"
The division is institutional, direct and deliberate with the clear agender of state funded segregation.

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Hospitals: We all know that most hospitals are terrible in Macedonia but the ability to access medical assistance in Albanian regions is a lot more difficult and scarce especially in remote areas even though they have large populations.

Again,geography plays a significant role since most of western Macedonia is a mountainous region, so accessing medical help (along many other things) is difficult.

And yes, healthcare in Macedonia is a disaster in general so that isn't helping either.
Even in remote regions where you have lagre populations there need to be state funded basic medical services on hand, eg Clinics, Ambulances, Pharmacies...
This is not asking for too much I believe!

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Jobs: eg, If you look at the distribution of foreign investment into Macedonia and where those investments go you will see that there has been an almost complete deliberate avoidance to place companies that employ large numbers of people in Albanian majority regions.

Most investment goes to central and eastern Macedonia.

This is because statistically the east of the Republic is poorer than the west and is also less developed in almost any perspective.
Probistip, Sveti Nikole, Delcevo...are almost "dead" towns.

The biggest percentage of the country's GDP comes from Skopje and the western part, and unemployment rates have historically been much, much higher in the east than the west.

So as you see, again it has nothing to do with the ethnicity of the population.
What statistics show that the west has more jobs and investment historically than the east?

Gruevski opened many economic free zones in places like shtip.and prilep where he would proudly boast about how many jobs he's crated...


Manufacturing and production factories from foreign or local investment virtually don't exist in Albanian majority regions..

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Macedonia has one of the highest employment rates in the world..around (30%) in Albanian regions its almost impossible to find employed people outside the government sector or small family run businesses the unemployment rate is around 70%

Whats the purpose of all this disparity of public funds?
Albanians will say that purpose is to make, life as difficult and uncomfortable as possible to that they MIGRATE and leave... after all one can't live a normal life without basic services and income.

Most Albanian families live off remittances sent from family abroad, this is their life line to survival

You just described Macedonia in general mate, not just the Albanian-populated areas.
Again, equality you wants - equality you gets.
70% Unemployment doesn't exist in the Macedonian. community, It's not the same.

Migration for survival is new to the Macedonians or not as prevalent as it has been in the Albanian community since the days.of Yugoslavia, we have so many people working in Europe and America simply so families can survive in Macedonia [/quote]


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There needs to be some form or legal protection to ensure parity, not more not less.. if you want loyal citizens, openly discriminating with basic funding isn't going to help.

Oh, you haven't heard? There IS a form of legal protection since some 15-16 years ago, it's called "Ohrid Framework Agreement".

It's what prevented me from becoming a policeman AND a professional soldier since in both cases the candidates that got the jobs were Albanians."The OFA required so",they said.

Albanians in Macedonia today can speak ,learn, read, educate themselves in their own language, there is a guaranteed quote of 25% of all state employees being Albanians (if you've read it by any chance, there was a post of mine about some 1700 state employees that actually don't even show up for work and yet receive monthly paychecks simply because they're Albanians) and their language is official in municipalities where they make up 25% of the population.

Face it - Albanians in Macedonia have more rights than in any other country (except Albania and the protectorate of Kosovo, of course) and yet every time they want more and more.
Don't bite the hand that feeds Albo.
We all know the Ohrid Agreement 16 years on still hasn't been implimented, and most of these demands from the new joint platform are mostly with the air of the FA but worded with more detail.

With the issue of thousands of Albanians receiving a paycheck and staying at home, I agree is outrageous pathetic and unacceptable on all fronts..

I have family members who have finished university have officially been given a job, but stay home because they are told " We have nothing for you to do" or " We are trying to fit you in - but we can't"

The reason they "can't fot them in" is simple in the eyes of the Albanians. (Don't know if Macedonians see it this way) but, The word is that VMRO would rather have these young employed people stay at home like parasites draining public funds where they have no chance to form any type of career or future within the state system..

This will on paper show that we are meeting FA targets, but the whole idea with the positive discrimination law is to create more loyalty to the system by being part of it and not excluded from it as was the case prior to 2001..

In fact by not allowing any type of access to basic level entry jobs within state institutions like ministries you halt any type of future development up the chain of command where real decisions and differences are made. So allowing them to to stay home without any imput is or at least has been seen as more valuable than allowing access to the system by the Macedonian leadership - (mostly VMRO as they have been in power mostly since the implementation of the FA)

As for Albanians having more rights than anyone in the Balkans.. See - Serbs of Kosovo

5% of the population Serbian is official throughout the country.

5% Are guaranteed 20 seats in the parliament (as many as then Albanians have with 25% of the population in Macedonia) regardless how many vote.

Let me not get into local territorial special provisions and parallel institutions and veto rights.. But that's all another issue..
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