Source: “Romaic Grammar” by E. A. Sophokles, 1842, pages iii-iv.
The newly invented Hellenes only live in Bavarian Greece, 1842!
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Originally posted by daniel the great View PostHe mentions Bavarian Greece, is that because there first King Otto was from Bavaria Germany?
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In fact the quote is "by Bavarian Greece,who perhaps do not constitute more than one fourth of the Greek nation".
At this time the Greek state's area was 47.516 km2 .
Four times means 4*47.516=190.064 km2
Today's Greece area is 131.990 km2.
That's 60.000 km2 less..than the actual area of the Greek nation,according to Your Source.
(ps- Republic of Macedonia's area is 25.713 km2...=2,5 RoMs less..)
So the writer would believe modern Greece is too small ..and that she should be greater
Interesting isn't ?
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@ Julie: Romeika, kind of "Demotiki". The Turks called all of us "Rumei", Rumeli-Milet. (from the Natives in anatolia to Croatia, ALL was Romei)
Couse from their aspect, those teritories were anexed from the "Romans" , meaning the Roman Empire... (East Roman Empire, Byzant, Vizantia)
Originally posted by Coastal View PostYes.That's why-By this terms he means Greek state in 1830-40's.
In fact the quote is "by Bavarian Greece,who perhaps do not constitute more than one fourth of the Greek nation".
At this time the Greek state's area was 47.516 km2 .
Four times means 4*47.516=190.064 km2
Today's Greece area is 131.990 km2.
That's 60.000 km2 less..than the actual area of the Greek nation,according to Your Source.
(ps- Republic of Macedonia's area is 25.713 km2...=2,5 RoMs less..)
So the writer would believe modern Greece is too small ..and that she should be greater
Interesting isn't ?
the sun is before your eyes, but you stuberny try to convince us that it is a candle?
Nation, NOT teritory.
And under "greek nation", the author is probably meaning all those who didn´t spoke Turkish, probably us Macedonians as well.Bratot:
Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.
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Originally posted by Serdarot View Postcoastal, dude...
the sun is before your eyes, but you stuberny try to convince us that it is a candle?
Nation, NOT teritory.
And under "greek nation", the author is probably meaning all those who didn´t spoke Turkish, probably us Macedonians as well.
It actually says that except the citizens of the Greek Kingdom the "mass of the people still call themselves Ρωμαίοι and their language Ρωμαίικα"
Did you call your language Romeika??
The same text above says "The fact is that Romaic is the legitimate offspring of Byzantine Greek which is the last stage of the Common Attic"
Apparently the guys calling themselves Romei and speaking Romaic (Greek) are NOT you ,or the Croatians.
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No territory ,but nation.ok then...
Let's see the numbers too:
Ιn 1832 the population (after 10 years of battles and slaughters) was 753.000 in the Greek kingdom.
4*753.000=3.012.000 people spoke Romaic (aka Modern Greek) according always to the presented source estimation!
3 millions.
what was the number of other nations back then?
"Vallachians or Roman race was not less than 4 millions;the Slavonians ,including the Bulgarians who speak the Slavonic language exceeded 5 millions"
(G.Finlay,History of the Greek revolution,VolI ,p.3)
For all Greeks Finlay estimates "no more than 3 million and a half"
So..Greek speakers (or Romaic if you prefer): 3,5 millions (or 3 as THIS Source suggests)
Slavic speakers (Bulgarians,Serbians,Macedonians,Croatians,Monteneg rins,Bosnians): 5 millions.
Latin speakers (Romanians,Aromanians): 4 millions
If we add the Christian Albanian population it would be like Greek speaking were some 3-3,5 millions ,out of 13-13,5 of all the Christian population of the Area.
That makes 25% ...of the Balkans.
So the sun is really obvious
..what did you bring the source to prove Daskale?
That "Romaic,the legitimate offspring of Byzantine Greek,which is the last stage of Common Attic" was mother tongue of 1/4 of the people of the Balkans *?
Well done! You ve made it ! ))
*(now it is of 11 out of 55 millions..so it is only 1/5)Last edited by Coastal; 07-04-2010, 11:13 AM.
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I brought forward this source to show that your Hellene identity is a modern creation.
Sophokles is a Greek himself so would you think he would write anything else about the modern Greek connection to the East Roman emipre?
Greece as a nation was for the first time created in history and it needed a glorious past, connecting it with the East Romans and then with Antiquity only reinforced the national spirit among the Arvanites of the Morea.
Why not promote this source amongst your kinsmen, whom most likely has never seen it before.Macedonian Truth Organisation
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Thanks Daskalot, Bratko you are definitely a good teacher, I'm the first to say’ I need to keep learning about my heritage and stop relying on other people’s opinions, Can you please help me understand one point, the document states: The fact is, the Romatic is the legitimate offspring of the Byzantine Greek, which is the last stage of the common attic? Meaning the Greeks recreated there artificial language and could have called it Turko-lonie or Greco-Latin?
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