Thread: Slave Mentality
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Old 01-19-2012, 05:49 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Vangelovski View Post
Back to the elephant in the room that some would rather not discuss

Over the years, we've touched on various aspects of this problem. One aspect that I want to touch on is more of a symptom of the slave mentality, but one that will help us better understand both what the slave mentality is and how it can be overcome.

This symptom is the support of oppressive regimes. In recent times, this symptom has reared its ugly head on the MTO forum. Whether people support oppressive regimes because they genuinely believe that that particular political system is a much better one at organising the state and regulating relations between its citizens or whether they are simply supportive because that particular regime is "sticking it" to what they view as an evil imperialist America is irrelevant, the underlying reasons - suffering from a slave mentality – is what continues to plague Macedonians worldwide and the results of it are well known, including authoritarian governments in Macedonia who act as vassals for foreign powers rather than representatives of Macedonian interests.

[color=#390002][font=Verdana]It is almost incomprehensible that a human being would willingly support an oppressive regime for whatever reason. Some of the regimes that have garnered favourable opinion on this forum include those of Iran, Libya and North Korea.
This thread was started on 11 Jan 2012, and today is the 20th Jan 2012. Allowing for 'Stara Nova godina' (14 Jan 2012) and Vodici (19 Jan 2012) as holidays, still leaves 7 days where someone could have posted.
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Just out of curiosity, how do you know they were "oppressive regimes"? Did Western Channel X media tell you?
I went back and reread the whole of "The War in Libya" thread and couldn't see exactly what you mean. It really makes for an interesting read.

Was it-
Phoenix Post028
"What really 'impressed' me was listening to the likes of Sarkozy, Obama, Cameron and Merkel justifying their intervention by saying that the Libyan people had put up for 40 years with the injustices of the Gaddafi regime...where the fuck were they 39 years ago if they were so concerned about the Libyan people...?"

Sounds like Phoenix is trying to say if Gaddafi was so oppressive that it drove the West to war, why did they wait 40 years to do it. Sounds to me like Phoenix is saying either Gaddafi was not that bad for 39 years, or the West were uncaring for 39 years - surely the West had the battle ships and missiles to take Gaddafi out 39 years ago.

Which do you think it is?

Onur Post030
"Western world was the biggest supporter of Gaddafi and they were kissing each others ass for 40 years, just like Saddam in Iraq before."

Sounds like the West (Italy in particular) not only tolerated Gaddafi for 39 years, but in fact were quite chummy with him - kind of like he was a good bloke.

Frank Post054
"NATO failed again on Wednesday to agree on taking over military operations against Moammar Gadhafi's forces in Libya, chiefly because of Turkey's objections, diplomats said."

Sounds like Turkey didn't think he was bad enough to be bombed. Is Turkey a repressive regime supporting another oppressive regime.

Prolet Post056
"Onur, I watched this episode on Serbian TV they had the Serbian Ambassador to Libya and also a correspondent in Libya who lived and worked there, i actually couldnt believe what they were saying.

They explained how in Libya Students can study anywhere in the world and they are payed 2200 euros per month by the Libyan Government plus they cover their rent expenses and so forth. They say how the citizens in Libya dont pay any bills ie Electricity,Water,Sewerage nothing and the best quality petrol there costs 1 euro for 17 liters. The other guy points out that while he was living there, he didnt recall seeing one beggar on the street."

Sounds like he wasn't that bad -
1. allowing any student to study anywhere in the world with a reasonably generouse allowance of 2200 Euros per month.
2. no utility bills
3. extremely cheap petrol (17 Litres for 1 Euro)
4. no beggars anywhere

Do you know any 'non-oppressive' regime that does this?

Onur Post070
"* Less than 2 years ago, the US were selling military parts to the Libyan Air Force through 3rd countries;"

Sounds like the USA don't think he was too bad so as not to sell him military parts which he might use the to 'oppress' his people.

Big Bad Sven Post123
"Libya was free of IMF and world bank debt
loans were given at %0 interest
free basic education and compulsory education up to secondary level
almost %40 of the budget was dedicated to education
huge social security benifits
he wanted to be paied for the oil in gold not USD
he built the massive water project to make Libya a centre of north african agriculture and a top 20 economy by 2030
it had a higher HDI than Russia and was the highest in africa

and for that, Libyans could vote... what a monster!!!!!

Sounds like a bunch of good things for his people - and they "could vote"
I like the "free of the IMF" a known opposer of people, and the 0% interest loans, free education and security benefits. Doesn't the USA make people pay for their education and save for their retirement.

George S Post134
"why people rebel against him?

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.

3. Home considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.

6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick- start their farms – all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US $2, 300/mth accommodation and car allowance.

8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.

9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter.

10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally.

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15

15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree

16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

So far the people don't sound all that oppressed, and as George S says, "why people rebel against him?".

Kind of sounds like these people...

"Most Syrians back President Assad, but you'd never know from western media
Assad's popularity, Arab League observers, US military involvement: all distorted in the west's propaganda war"

Today, noone in their right mind believes -
1. the war in Iraq was ANYTHING other than a grab for oil or
2. the war in Afghanistan anything than a grab for 90% of the worlds heroin production and the trillions it's worth and the estimated trillion dollar mineral deposits.
3.Libya was about oil and massive gold reserves and Gaddafi's scheming to set a gold standard currency firstly amongst African countries and then the world.

I think maybe I should have stuck with the rest of the MTO members and the stick figure with the 10 foot pole.

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