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Old 02-03-2017, 11:07 PM   #1
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Default Inscriptions at St. Sophia (Ohrid)

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Would anyone happen to know what these inscriptions mean? Unfortunately, these photos are not of the best quality. I know the inscription is in Byzantine Greek and I think I’ve found out what the words in the yellow box mean, that is “ETNI TA MYSON” which probably means “built for the Moesians”. Which probably shouldn’t come at too much of a surprise since the Ohrid Archbishop spanned to areas of modern day Serbia and Bulgaria Proper, which are roughly correlated with that that of the Roman region of Moesia. (See below)

Ohrid_archbishopric_1020_01adju.zip

Map_of_the_roman_province_of_Moesia_(250)adju.zip

Or it could potentially have something to do with the Diocese of Moesia which spanned most of the Balkans in 300 AD. (See below)

Roman_Empire_with_dioceses_in_300_ADadju.zip
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Old 02-04-2017, 02:17 AM   #2
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Can't see clearly, so don't shoot me.

The clear parts starting from left is
ΓΡΗΓΟΡ (probably Gregorios),

then distorted part,

then ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟΓΡΑΦΟΝ ΝΟΜΟΝ ΕΘΝΗ ΤΑ ΜVCΩΝ ΕΚΔΙΔΑCΚΕΙ ΠΑΝCΟΦΩC
which means "teaches in whole wisdom the god-written Law to the Mysian people"

If you're sure this should refer to Moesians, not Mysians, it is written incorrectly, or the Greeks had used different spellings through time. For Moesians the proper spelling should have been ΜΟΙCΩΝ.
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Old 02-04-2017, 03:03 AM   #3
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Thanks for your input. I got the ‘Moesia’ part from a Bulgarian website, which in respect to the case where it really meant ‘Mysia’ they may have had an agenda to distort it as ‘Moesia’.
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Old 02-04-2017, 03:35 AM   #4
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No, Moesia makes more sense (Ochrid is in Moesia). The two names sound exactly the same in Greek, but spelled differently.
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Moesia does make more sense, although Ohrid is not located in Moesia, atleast with respect to the roman region. But I've heard that the term Moesia was used more generally at a certain point in time.
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It seems evident from the medieval primary sources that the "Slavophones" of numerous Balkan regions, encompassing Macedonia and adjacent areas, were called by some authors Mysians or Mysoi.

To illustrate, and simply providing quotes as found online:

1) http://postimg.org/image/uiu1elwev/

In the Short life of St Clement it is remarked that the saint "drew his origins from the European Mysians, who were also known to most people as Bulgarians."

2) http://postimg.org/image/tz1tmct7h/

Tzetzes --> During his time some "Byzantines" called the Hungarians "Paeonians". Tzetzes accused them of ignorance and he said that if someone should be called Paeonians that would be the Bulgarians.

3) https://books.google.ca/books?id=iBO...ulgars&f=false

Per Dion C. Smythe, authors (at some point) began to call the inhabitants of Roman provinces of Dalmatia and Moesia (Superior and Inferior) as Dalmatians and Mysians (although not Moesians). John Kinnamos and Anna Komnene refer to the Serbs as Dalmatians/Dalmatian people.

4) https://books.google.ca/books?id=RCD...ysians&f=false

One more citation -- "...the occupation of Berrhoia by the Mysians."

5) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...ates_of_Trajan

John Geometres on the Battle of the Gates of Trajan:

"Even if the sun would have come down, I would have never thought that the Moesian arrows were stronger than the Avzonian spears. ... And when you, Phaethon [Sun], descend to the earth with your gold-shining chariot, tell the great soul of the Caesar: The Danube took the crown of Rome. The arrows of the Moesians broke the spears of the Avzonians."

6) To add to the confusion, for Choniates the Mysians were Vlachs.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=WDR...vlachs&f=false

7) https://books.google.ca/books?id=QKh...rumeza&f=false

On page 55 we can read an example of the utter 'confusion' that reigned among "Byzantines" about who was who in the Carpatho-Danubian lands.

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Thanks for gathering all that up, Carlin. It does indeed seem that the terms were used carelessly and/or generally by many authors. Thus, there isn't much to infer from the inscription on the church.
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Thanks for gathering all that up, Carlin. It does indeed seem that the terms were used carelessly and/or generally by many authors. Thus, there isn't much to infer from the inscription on the church.
No problem m2e.

Just wanted to illustrate additional example(s) of unclear and liberal use of terms.

In some of the links I posted it seems the Bulgarians were called Mysians, while the Serbs were Dalmatians (while others yet, like Chalkokondyles, called the Serbs Triballians - Triballoi). Was this always the case?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voisava

Marin Barleti talking about the inhabitants of Upper Debar that defended Svetigrad, he calls them "Bulgarians or Triballi" -- Bulgari sive Tribali habitant.


PS: One more thing, unrelated. Above there is this quote:

"Even if the sun would have come down, I would have never thought that the Moesian arrows were stronger than the Avzonian spears. ... And when you, Phaethon [Sun], descend to the earth with your gold-shining chariot, tell the great soul of the Caesar: The Danube took the crown of Rome. The arrows of the Moesians broke the spears of the Avzonians."

Note that Avzonians = Ausonians = ROMANS (or "Byzantines")

Indeed, it appears certain from the sources that the "Byzantines" regularly called themselves Ausones, which was an ancient name for the original inhabitants of Italy. This was the standard "classicizing" name that the Byzantines used for themselves - not Hellenes.

See more here:
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=8435

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It seems that the territory of the Triballi is roughly nested in Moesia, additionally overlapping with bulgaria proper, which all seems to add more confusion to the matter.

Since it looks like 'Bulgarian' was interchangeable with 'Mysian' by some authors, the term Mysians being used for the Slavic speaking inhabitants of Macedonia could possibly be related to the 'Theme of Bulgaria' being imposed on Western Macedonia in the 11th century.

Also in regards to Romans of the Byzantine Empire, I've heard on numerous occasion that the term 'Hellen' was reserved for remote pagans in certain areas that refused to convert to christianity. The adoption of the 'Roman' name by the majority of inhabitants of the Byzantine Empire seems as it was a way a cleansing their pagan past, which is why I think it's a form of butchering historical information when western historians replace 'Roman' with 'Greek'. But it very interesting to hear that some Romans went even further than that by calling themselves Ausones, almost as If they wanted to completely eradicate Hellenism.
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Good point maco2envy. I've added it here as well.

Gregory Akindynos - native of Prilep, of Mysian race.

The following find comes from a BULGARIAN book.
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