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Old 05-19-2009, 09:37 AM   #41
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Old 05-19-2009, 09:41 AM   #42
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http://openlibrary.org/b/OL1506284M/...avic-languages

http://www.nlr.ru/eng/exib/cult/slovakia.html
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Oblak, Vatroslav (1864 – 1896), Slovak philologist. Letter to Mikhail Fedorovich Raevsky. October 12, 1882. Cilli.
1 f., 228 x 144 mm, paper. Coll. 608. I.V. Pomialovsky. No. 3620.
Vatroslav Oblak was known for his research in the Macedonian, Serbian, Croatian and Slovenian dialectology.
http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/~ljublja...ts/l97-41.html
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On December 12-13, 1996, the Filozofska Fakulteta of the University of Ljubljana hosted the Mednarodni simpozij Obdoja 17: Vatroslav Oblak in recognition of the 100th anniversary of his death. The conference was organized by Prof. Alenka Sivic-Dular of the University of Ljubljana, and attended by scholars from 10 countries. Papers were read by SSS members Marc L. Greenberg ("Vatroslav Oblak and Early Innovations in South Slavic Vowel Systems) and Breda Pogorelec ("Oblakov prispevek za zgodovino slovenskega knjiznega jezika. Gradivo in teorija"); Iskra Curkina could not attend, but appeared on the program. The conference coincided with an outstanding exhibit, "The Bible in Slovenia", at the Narodna galerija, which conference participants visited.
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Old 07-10-2009, 11:04 AM   #43
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http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal...accno=EJ148194

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The Definite Article in Bulgarian and Macedonian

The enclitic status of the article in Contemporary Standard Bulgarian and Contemporary Standard Macedonian is investigated by comparing its junctural and accentual properties with those of undisputed enclitics in each language.
Can anybody get their hands on this text? It would be an interesting read no doubt. I am curious to know if the definite article was present in literature from the 12th century onwards.
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Old 07-12-2009, 06:55 AM   #44
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That is a part of it.
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Old 07-15-2009, 05:42 AM   #45
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Courtesy of Daskalot.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/wp-co...ian-306321.pdf

Interesting text, but does not discuss anything concerning the origin of the definite article.
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Old 07-20-2009, 08:22 AM   #46
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The enclitic definite article is used by Scandinavian languages as well as classical Armenian, Romanian and Albanian. Can we try to list who else puts the definite article at the end of the word (enclitic)?

Where did this influence come from?
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Not sure if they all have the same origin, but it is interesting that the feature exists in other languages beyond the Danube such as Romanian and Scandinavian.
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Old 08-17-2009, 10:29 PM   #48
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Ilya Talev [Bulgarian-American Linguist]:
"....It is not accurate to say that Bulgarian was "Russified". Such a
term would imply that there was a pre-existing Bulgarian literary language,
which later underwent a metamorphosis of "Russification". The Bulgarian
literary language (as opposed to the living dialects) was formed under
a very strong Russian influence....It was a voluntary process, which
took place well before the creation of any Bulgarian state. The result
today is that perhaps 65% of all the 150,000 words in the Bulgarian
language are of Russian origin...."


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Bulgarian before Russian influence ------> Macedonian language, from the Macedonians.

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Excerps taken from "The Beginning of Written Slavic" by Horace G.Lunt

Not entirely related, but in the general region of interest.

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The importance is that 863, despite many unanswered questions, marks the beginning of written Slavic culture
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The important thing is that all sources attribute to Cyril and/or Methodius the invention of the Slavic alphabet and to the brothers and their immediate pupils the translation of the major liturgical books thereby the establishment of a new written language
What does it mean to be "Greek"?

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We must assume that the ambitious Slav in the Byzantine Empire would strive to be accultured - to become a Christian adept in Greek
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Surely many Greeks, like Constantine and Methodius, had grown up speaking Slavic
Politics in Translation ?

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Constantine was able to render the sense in natural, unforced Slavic, although naturally enough, with Hellenisms (spot the anachronism)
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It was not his fault that later scribes constantly "corrected" the translation with a slavish mechanistic literalism that eventually led to a wooden word for word reproduction of the official Greek versions.
Greek versions are curiously absent in relation to the early works of Cyril/Methodius ?

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their impact (through their Moravian mission) is recorded in Western sources as a dangerous but passing encroachment on the German bishoprics, while Greek chroniclers make no mention at all. It is the Slavs who have clung to the pious memory of the holy brothers ...
The earliest and ONLY Greek source emerges, in the 11th century, about 200 years later. It was written by a Greek, known as Theophylactus, the Archbishop of Ohrid, 1084-1107.

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Many scholars are convinced that he merely adapted an originally Slavic biography written shortly after Kliment's death
The possibility of late compilations, of fictions, of bad copyings and redactions, all come into play.

Then we have this:

The ONLY late Greek source.

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Known as the "Bulgarian Legend" it is a twenty five page Life of Kliment, a pupil of Methodius who was bishop in Macedonia, 893-916
Why is the term "Bulgarian" used for the first time nearly two centuries later, and by a Greek clergyman ?

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It looks as though Greek clerics near Byzantium preferred to identify Christianity with Greek language and culture, and baptism with a desire for Hellenization
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one admits that the political overtones, particularly in regard to anti-Slavonic forces, are very strong indeed
Oldest texts written in what alphabet ?

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the oldest and most archaic texts are written in Glagolitic
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it is only very recently that the need has been recognized to investigate separately the history of Slavonic, from the Cyrillo-Methodian Old Church Slavonic, through the Macedonian, Bulgarian Kievan and other recensions ... for the historian, the Moravian mission of Cyril and Methodius is an intriguing puzzle in diplomatic and ecclesiastical jurisdictional struggles ...

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